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The six-year-old student who shot his teacher in the US earlier this year, boasted about the incident saying "I shot [her] dead", unsealed court documents show.

While being restrained after the shooting at a Virginia school, the boy is said to have admitted "I did it", adding "I got my mom's gun last night".

His teacher, Abigail "Abby" Zwerner - who survived - filed a $40m (£31.4m) lawsuit earlier this year.

The boy has not been charged.

The boy's mother, however, Deja Taylor, has been charged with felony child neglect and misdemeanour recklessly leaving a loaded firearm as to endanger a child.

In Ms Zwerner's lawsuit, filed in April, she accuses school officials of gross negligence for ignoring warning signs and argues the defendants knew the child "had a history of random violence

The documents also mention another incident with the same student while he was in kindergarten. A retired teacher told police he started "choking her to the point she could not breathe".

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So two observations, first how is leaving a loaded gun in reach of a 6 year old not more than a misdemeanor? I don't even let my kid near a slingshot or pelet gun unsupervised much less anything lethal.

Second, "choking her to the point she could not breath"? How big is this kid that this is even possible? That's no small feat for a full grown adult if you're talking bare handed much less a young child.

That the kid at that age even thought that was a thing to do says all too much about the influences on them. We need another Mr. Rogers here...

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Second, “choking her to the point she could not breath”? How big is this kid that this is even possible? That’s no small feat for a full grown adult if you’re talking bare handed much less a young child.

I assume it was an old lady because the article mentions it was a retired teacher. Considering the kid has only been alive 6 years, it probably happened the year prior, so if the teacher was able to retire that soon after, they probably were in their 90s or early hundos

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 points 2 years ago

That's possible, to that end the pre-school my youngest attended had a rule of two teachers per class so at any given time one could lead the class and the other watch for troubles since young kids can be volatile at times if they want something right now. Not good if the kid is that misguided to the point of outright violence, but at the same time kids will climb the cubbords sometimes and you need to be able to take them off or catch them if they fall. If the teacher is not physically capable of that then they need an assistant in the room.

[–] OddFed@feddit.de -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's exactly the rhetoric that makes it so hard for men to talk about domestic violence.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think he's objecting to "why couldn't you stop someone smaller and weaker from abusing you?".

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Maybe, but there's stopping an adult with an actual intent to harm you versus just picking up someone you could probabbly carry under one arm. At some point if you can't do that well, please don't get a large dog or such for a pet I guess?

Additionally, the thought was more 'how can a kid that small even muster the strength to strangle someone to begin with'.

[–] OddFed@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The point is that it's not about "strength". And no matter your intend, as long as you picture such events as "whoever is physically stronger wins", you are destructive.

Why do you think it's hard for a man to fight back a female partner?

Why do you think it's hard for a teacher to fight back one of their pupils?

How easy is it for those people to talk about this trauma, if people like you go: "I don't understand how you can be threatend by someone you can pick up under your arm lmao."?

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 2 points 2 years ago

So I'm not inclined to get drug off on some distraction with an easily offended sort over the morally correct phrasing or how one should think, but I'll put it as this.

1: Abuse comes in many forms, not just physical, focusing the notion of keeping it secret and being difficult to talk about on the one most outwardly visible face of it detracts from the larger battles happening in the emotive and mental abuse space.

2: There is a material difference in physical assault perpetuated by an adult or mature child which has a level of malice and intent behind it and that done by a child which, although I'm speculating since it's not listed, would have been doing this bare handed and without a properly formed mindset to fully comprehend their own actions. A small child at that age likely weighs somewhere under 60 pounds and has hands of relevant size. At some point a person simply needs to be able to fend for themselves or be considered incapable of dealing with a situation, be that in physically resisting or in correcting the behavior of the kid to begin with.

A teacher shouldn't have to plan for a kid bringing a gun to class, that's fully on the parents being negligent, but if you work with kids, particularly young ones that haven't properly learned control of their emotions yet, it should be expected that you're going to get kicked in the shins here and again and be capable and prepared to deal with that.