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If you want to spend your time and emotional energy participating in meaningless bullshit, have at it.
I hope others are a little more responsible and realize The Internet and Cable News and Social Media are the wrong places to get real information. Don't count on fourth and fifth hand reporting. Watch CSPAN, watch political leaders speaking in context. Everything else is, sadly, only "reporting" enough to get you worked up enough to click on ads and generate revenue for them. Russia, China, and Iran know this. They know we're gullible, emotional, and broken. It's actually refreshing to observe news as it happens in real time rather than reading the bile that others spew for your attention. It's bonkers how much of "the news" is just out of context sound bites. It's been happening irrespective of political affiliation. And it's destroying this country and our respect for one another.
I watched the speech. There was no context outside of He is planning on ending Democracy
This is a lie. That was 100% NOT the context of this statement. He has said this in other statements and speeches but not at this event.
https://youtu.be/fHXI-k8dD5g?t=3261
Never once in your clip did he give any context. You posted his exact words. He said they wouldn't have to vote again because it would be fixed. That's all of the context.
The context, if I need to define this for you, is the words he is speaking, who he is speaking to, and where and when he is saying it.
Correct! And what does this tell you?
Does this tell you that he's going to be supreme leader? That he'll refuse to leave office? That he's going to end elections?
Or does this tell you, that as he is speaking to a room full of christians, that he is going to fix the country in such a way that these "beautiful Christians" will never have to vote again?
Yea, I got that context, which doesn't add anything to support your point.
His words say he will fix 'it' so they won't have to ever vote again.
He is speaking to a group of Trump thumping Christian Nationalists who's view consistently align with, "Everyone should have to fall in line with my religious views regardless of what they think or what the constitution says".
He is speaking at a rally leading up to the general election after having taken it to the chin the last couple of weeks and getting backed into a corner.
The most important part that you left out though is, "who is saying it", which is a twice impeached, felon, rapist, man child that is as corrupt as space is big and is on the record stating he wants to be a dictator if reelected.
With all of that context, I believe he's telling his cult that he will fix their "problems", which to them are Democrats, and elections won't matter in the future. It tells me that he does want to be supreme leader, Jan 6th shows that he tried and would very possibly try again to not leave office, and his previous rhetoric and actions to suppress voters show he would happily stop all elections.
Even if you ignore all of those red flags and write it all off as speculation and take it as you interpret it, the idea of what would have to happen for these "Christians" to be complicit and to never need to vote again is just as bad. It means Christianity has completely superseded the constitution and US law, which is bad by itself, but would never be able to happen through legal, non-corrupt means in a 4 year span.
And... you're absolutely right. THIS is exactly what we should be discussing. The media should be pulling notes from the Christian agenda and discussing what a president can or can not do. It should be looking at historical records and Supreme Court rulings to inform the voters if what DT is saying is factual or realistic. The media should be cross referencing what Christians want and what's in Project 2025 and informing the public of what threats another Trump presidency really means.
Instead, we get these false flags about Trump saying he doesn't intended to leave office - which is a blatant lie by the media.
This may be a part of the agenda but there's so much more going on. For the people who think they want a dictator in office, they need to be informed of what that looks like - for better or worse.
We're discussing this because the media called him out for his comments. The media has also actively been shining more light on project 2025. The media can write more than one story at the same time, and since the universe is canonical, those stories feed into each other and with that bring context.
The media can't just report on past supreme court ruling and reference precedent, when the man saying there will be no need to vote again is the primary reason for the courts corruption. By high lighting his statement and even suggesting that he maybe talking about voter suppression and dictatorship is the media illustrating the threats of another Trump presidency. They are doing exactly what your saying, but on this one particular message, you're fighting to defend him, like this one time is different than the rest.
Ok. You're adding your own context and feelings into the story to re-interpret what he said. That's reasonable.
That's not what he said though and the media is irresponsible for publishing that.
You're removing context. You have no context if you remove the person saying it. You can't take this moment, put it in a vacuum and ignore everything else leading up it.
The media posted exactly what he said, and questioned the intent take into account the person making the statement.
If Jesus were alive today and was the person the Bible claims him to have been, if he made these same statements, I'd think, "cool, he's got a good track record of helping everyone out and being a good dude. I'm sure he's got the best intentions". When Trump says the same words, the implication is different, because his past actions change the context of the conversation. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt and should be scrutinized accordingly.
Gotcha. I’m not living in the same reality as you. That seems to be a reasonable explanation for politics today. Unfortunately, our different realities impose consequences on one another.
Here's the thing missing in all your arguments: for the highest job in the country you have to be deliberate in everything you say. Even he knows his every word will be analyzed to wits end. He has just been afforded the leeway to doublespeak by apologists who just care about the execution of their plan and by dupes who want to give him the benefit of the doubt after failing at every measure to deserve it.
To pretend that this group of people here on Lemmy are not well versed on sifting through good, lousy and disinformation is complete crap.
I agree that a person attempting to hold the highest office in the country should be held to the highest standards. Evidently you and I are in the minority.
This has been the case since day zero. Regardless and in spite of all the lies and intentional disinformation he has spewed, has only excelled in his objectives. He does not care if his words are dissected. He's a moron. And it doesn't matter in this reality we reside in.
Wrong. He's been afforded the leeway to doublespeak by agencies claiming to be exercising journalism.
I mean, that's just hilarious that you think this forum maintains some higher level of decorum or intellect. It's barely a shade better than reddit. And as evident by this thread, you're verifiably wrong.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/30/us/politics/trump-christians-vote-ingraham.html?smid=url-share
I mean I'm just saying...
Maybe you'll take this article to reinforce the point you're trying to make but contrast it with what you've been saying to other commenters above.
Yes. I quoted that interview somewhere here to make my point.
January 6th, 2020. Where he went out and tried to get a mob to kill his christian VP, because the guy refused to install him as a dictator.
You're aware that Trump already tried to end democracy, right? When he tried to have the Georgia election results tossed out, and sent hundreds of his sycophants to the Capitol, instructing them to "take the country back," we saw him try to end democracy once. He now says he's going to do it again, and you argue. Why? Because you're getting a paycheck to do it?
We know what he means, and if you keep arguing, we know you're not interested in facts.
you're sitting there trying to convince everyone that trump means something OTHER than that he plans to crown himself supreme dictator, which he's been implying for YEARS. in ALL the contexts.
i AM emotional, and maybe even broken. but one thing i'm NOT is gullible. "it was a joke" please... again, GTFO with this "out of context" bullshit. trump said voting is going away if he wins. cotton said it was a joke. the end.
Your argument is that Trump said he wants to be supreme dictator so when he says the sky is pink we should interpret that statement to mean he wants to be supreme dictator.
I'm arguing that we should focus on why he's claiming the sky is pink in addition to focusing on the threat of him intent on being supreme dictator.
Thank you for proving my point so succinctly 😩
This has nothing at all to do with this topic.
I wish people actually gave a crap about words and context and responsible journalism. There are real issues to discuss and this is a gigantic distraction. I genuinely don't understand how people are so blinded by their emotions that they can look the facts in the face and reject them.
Our inability to separate rhetoric and disinformation from facts, or in this case, our inability to separate two entirely different statements, is our greatest threat. It's all garbage in garbage out. It's terrifying.
It has everything to do with this topic. You can't just ignore years of precedent and take a current snapshot in time and say nothing prior matters.
The words used matter, and responsible journalism will call out when someone says something like this. We should be less accepting of rhetoric like this, and if it was just poorly phrased, then he seems to do that a lot and should be scrutinized and lambasted for it.