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They can “meh” all they want, no vote—no voice.
It's that smug attitude that got us Biden. Democrats win or lose by convincing the meh people that it's worth their time to go vote. If they don't go vote trump wins so they literally can't go meh all they want if Democrats wants to win.
Pretty sure I just said they need to vote.
Would you like to break down your comment and point to the part where you said that?
No vote, no voice.
If you want to have your voice heard—which they do—you have to vote. Even if the options aren’t amazing, you have to help guide it in the right direction. They right wing loves it when their competition is “meh”
In case you missed it, the "You will take what we give you and pretend to like it" approach failed.
Well, Biden got elected so I’ll say it didn’t fail. What we need is a better voting system, and until that happens we have to understand that’s the world we live in, and work with what we’ve got.
This election cycle has been like "no, you're not getting a real primary, vote as your told and like it."
Until it became so clear that it was a losing strategy that even Democrats abandoned it.
"No vote no voice" implies that voters have a voice. Until Biden stepped down, they functionally didn't.
You may have liked him, but I'm glad we have someone who stands a chance of winning instead of the guy party leadership wants.
I didn’t like Biden.
If you say so.
I didn’t know I was talking to a child.
I knew I was talking to a boomer.
Millennial.
You don't want to be called a boomer, don't make boomer arguments. "Everyone who disagrees with me must be younger than me and is therefore wrong" is the boomeriest shit ever.
No, not younger. A child. Boomers can act like children as much as you are.
VOTE!!!!
You certainly do.
Already am. I'm glad that Biden dropped out.
I am also glad that Biden dropped out. I’m not a huge Harris fan, but I like her more than Biden.
I'm not huge on Harris either, but I am very much invested in seeing a Democratic Party that listens to its membership, and I'm not going to badmouth them for doing what I want them to.
No one is badmouthing the Democratic Party in our conversation
Did anyone else credible run in this primary or submit their names to the convention for nomination? Why do you think no one submitted their names?
And yet, we were on track to losing until the party listened to people who were upset at the shit choice we had before us.
I'm glad your shit candidate stepped down and we got a better one.
Firstly, He wasn't my candidate, I always supported Bernie.
Second, yes the party got him to step down, but after that happened, why do you think no one added their names to the list for consideration at the convention, and before that why did no big name Dems compete in the primary against Biden?
The answer is very simple, no Democrat wants it right now, every single big name like Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, or AOC would rather wait until 2028 or after to run, and that's why literally every single one immediately threw their support behind Harris.
They need to be more invested in their primary, mid-term, and local elections. That is the time for people to decide for better than "meh" choices. Too many people sit out of such a large part of the process. That said, I am also for throwing out first past the post too.
People of all ages have a lot to do and very little extra time to devote to things like understanding political issues or learning about candidates. What America needs is "democracy day off."
I think every Monday should be a demoncracy day: like the Sabbath, we keep it holy and do no work that makes a person or company money. Instead, everyone is required to pick one of a few available activities: meeting with local councils to discuss issues and vote, reading up on laws and candidates and issues (hopefully to report to a council about it), or civic improvements like park cleanup or elder care. This isn't comprehensive, just trying to give the flavor of it.
Maybe if Americans finally learned how to do actual freedom we could let people choose their democracy day to spread it out through the week. The core idea is simply that we need to mandate and regulate that so many hours per person per month will be devoted exclusively to the project of maintaining our society.
Hell, once a month alone would be super helpful too. Curious about how many people would take advantage though. I get that many people have busy lives, but if we could even get the people who only vote every 4 years to vote in every election possible, that would be a huge uptick in participation.
I could compromise and start with 1 day a month. And yeah, obviously election days are extra democracy days that everyone gets paid time off from work to vote.
What kind of unserious country would force people to work slave's hours to make ends meet and would then hold elections during the work week at times where millions of poor laborers would be unable to vote? That sounds like a fake democracy.
You're not going to win by saying "the actual election is your obligation, if you had policies you were interested in you should have tried to get a different person in the primary". The whole reason candidates change after the primary (often diving to the center) is to get votes from people that didn't vote for them. That applies to primary voters for other candidates and people who don't make politics a priority in their lives.
The meh people are the ones doing this.
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