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I get the sense that you don't follow politics super often... if you're an outsider, I understand that "you must be biased to say that only one side has any good points" seems like the obviously correct position, but trust me, it's not. Don't attack people who have spent time in politics and developed a more accurate viewpoint just because it's counterintuitive.
I don’t follow US politics* since I don’t live there……
But the issue is uniquely American, maybe you need to follow other countries politics more to see how flawed yours is?
I KNOW how flawed ours is. You do not seem to.
Hence maybe why I’m pointing out that there shouldn’t be any sort of party or candidate that should be referred to as “centrist”…?
In other countries and political systems, that would be someone who would stand in the middle and actually have both good points as their platform.
In the US it’s used as smear to refer to people who don’t align politically with you. Same with the terms “left” and “right”. Other democracies have parties in these sides, but A there’s more than one, and B, the term isn’t used to smear and slander people or parties.
Hence this being a uniquely American thing…. Other countries use terms like progressive and conservatives instead, much more friendly and correct terms.
You know we also use those terms, right?
No, I’ve never seen an article or comment about US politics use those terms. Which is odd for how often they get posted in other places.
And no, your country and politics specifically avoid those terms, since they want a two party system and that’s part of how it works.
It’s republican and democrats, not progressive and conservatives, that’s the “marketing”. Would love some articles from the US that use these terms though.
Really? You've never heard that? I'm sure if you searched around for some articles you'd hear people or even ideas described as "progressive" or "conservative" equally if not more often than by their parties.
Again, as someone who self-admittedly doesn't usually follow US politics, you should really stop telling me, a politically-involved US citizen, how you think our politics works. I don't presume to know more than you about your country's politics.
Ideas, but not the party themselves since they want to distance themselves…
Yes I don’t follow, but it’s shoved down everyone’s throats.
I’m telling you how your politics look to OUTSIDERS… this is how WE view the shithole that you claim is democracy. None of those terms are used how you’re claiming they are.
Sure YOU use the terms, but anything that escapes to other people doesn’t, because that’s how they want to be presented. As you say, they only use the term for “ideas”, that’s distancing dude… yeeesh.
Politics is literally entirely composed of ideas. The parties are named the way they are because that's what they've been named for like a billion years.
So, they ARE used how I'm claiming.
The onus is on you, you claimed the terms are used and I already asked and you decided to not oblige and tell me to Google it.
So you Google it, or provide the proof you claimed of first.
The terms the US wants and uses is democrats and republicans, since they don’t really follow ideologies at all.
In a healthy political system the right will have some left ideas and left will have some right. Maybe educate yourself on other politcal systems first if you want to discuss and call me out? Your democracy is a sham, others don’t operate that way, yet you want to claim they do…? What….?
I've made literally no claims about anyone else's democracy.
As a matter of principle I refuse to use Google for you, you're the one who originally made the claim that we don't use progressive or conservative as terms, and if you're going to insist on playing the Burden of Proof game then that's what you're going to get. Educate yourself on this topic or leave.
Nah, since that’s not what the original topic was about anyways, and you seem to be hell bent on being correct instead of having a discussion.
I've forgotten the original topic at this point tbh. If you have any further arguments to make then feel free, otherwise it seems we're at an impasse.
Do you find this an issue in many debates?