Exactly. If I've got time and energy to play something, it's going to be for the experience. Not to die repeatedly until the bossfight is ingrained in my memory and I hate myself.

I think games with grind are just annoying.

Like I love Minecraft but I will explicitly play to have fun and build things, my building resources come from what I gather around my area, you'd never catch me using concrete as a primary component in my builds for example.

But MMO level grind? Never. I just want games that respect my time