With the new poster having dropped, I thought it might be fun to compile the various Lower Decks posters, along with their theatrical poster counterparts. So...why don't we do that?

Those are the most obvious ones - I know there are other pieces of Lower Decks promotional art out there, so please chime in if you recognize any that I've missed!

As the title says, I'm curious if they ever named or revisited this Human civilization in the later parts of the timeline in any way? It seems like too good of an opportunity to not revisit it at some point.

My searches did not reveal any answer, so thought I'd ask my fellow trek nerds.

The episode has been posted on the official After Midnight channel:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raq300uiea8 (intro; no guests yet)

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq3cLmKeaL8

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3oRxysCoYs (+ Rebecca Romijn)

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jt_8e4bsdM (+ Rebecca Romijn)

Part 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970CAaBF0cQ

Part 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YHcWTOryFs

Part 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T60hiZIrhpM

Raise your hand if you knew the answer to the final question. 🙋‍♂️

I just finished watching Star Trek Discovery a day or two ago and it didn't really hit me until I was reading about Calypso, but it feels like the show-runners are very pessimistic about the concept of a Federation. I am not sure if this is considered old news, but I would be interested in examining the show-runners' outlooks more closely.

While the collapse of the Federation is in a way no fault of its own (the Federation didn't cause the burn); the idea that all it would take would be a scarcity of gas to break up the interplanetary union feels counter to the original ideals of Star Trek's optimism.

The idea that teamwork and ingenuity can overcome most adversity feels integral to Star Trek (at least to me), so the idea that running out of fossil fuels is all it would take to split up the Galaxy's largest symbol of unity feels out of place.

This is an especially powerful slap in the face when in Season 5 they have developed the Pathway Drive after only a few years of working together again. It felt as though there was truly not a strong enough reason for the Federation to collapse and be on the brink of destruction than the fact the show-runners really like the Federation falling apart.

You could make the case that it also has to do with the destruction of most of their fleet, but in Season 1 basically all of Starfleet is destroyed, and that's hardly even referenced again.

As an aside, in the five seasons of Discovery, I think the Federation has fallen (to varying degrees) four times.

1. Reduced to a single star-base and a handful of ships by the Klingons
2. Completely overtaken by Control
3. The collapse after The Burn
4. Becoming the V'Draysh in Calypso

In regards to the V'Draysh concept, I am willing to cut the writers a little slack, because from a meta perspective it feels like Calypso was originally intended to go between Season 2 and 3. This is fully a guess on my part, but I suspect at the time of writing/filming Calypso there might have been a more vague idea of what was wrong with the Federation in the future and the method of time travel to the future may not have been locked down yet. I would not be surprised if the V'Draysh was going to be the Federation in Season 3 and the crew would somehow find themselves on Discovery after it waited in place for 1000 years.

Having said that, though, the writers decided to canonize Calypso as taking place after Discovery ends, so it could be considered a fourth collapse (though technically the V'Draysh are never canonically recognized as the Federation, so there is some wiggle room).

While these are much more minor points by comparison, I would also like to address the phaser design in the future as well as the Progenitors philosophy differences between Season 5 of Discovery and TNG.

While a minor gripe, I thought returning the phaser form factor to a more gun-shaped form was also indicative of the show-runners' head-space.

Phasers went from looking like futuristic laser guns in TOS to looking something like an electric razor in TNG. While this made them less "cool," it signaled a priority on peace and diplomacy. While phasers were weapons, their presence was solely utilitarian and not for intimidation.

Discovery's return to the gun-shaped phasers feels like an out of universe emphasis on "coolness" and action, and an in-universe departure from the emphasis on diplomacy.

You could make the case that this now scrappier Federation no longer had the luxury of diplomacy to rely on, but it still feels pessimistic to think the Federation would abandon their ideals in times of hardship.

As I said, I know it's a comparatively minor gripe to put so much weight into a relatively small prop, but I feel like there is a lot to be said about design language and what it implies about the world of the show.

Finally, there is the issue of the Progenitors. I am positive I am not the first person to say this, but there is a definitive shift from the Progenitors wanting all their disparate species to come together in the unifying pursuit of knowledge to them saying "whoever gets here first is the best and can use this godly power however they want."

This shift from the ideal being universal brotherhood to focusing on being the best species reflects the show-runners' own lack of priority on the concept, which is reflected in their repeated destruction of the Federation.

I understand the idea of wanting your show/movie to be "gritty" and "realistic" (see every DC superhero movie after The Dark Knight), but it's out of place in a show as optimistic as Star Trek.

I'm not sure such an open-ended question can be definitively answered, but why didn't the Discovery show-runners believe in the Federation?

I pick it up again every once in a while. I just had a slate of particularly miserable emeritus short losses, including one where 9 of the 13 Klingons left were in one sector. I was docked in a Starbase adjacent to that sector, and I could have sent an armed probe. Instead, to not get any more planet loss points, I decided, "I'm just gonna take em with phasers." I got killed immediately.

In addition to the recently announced news that the U.S.S. Enterprise-D from Star Trek: The Next Generation would be featured as part of Universal Fan Fest Nights, Universal Studios Hollywood has revealed that the actual bridge set piece featured in the third and final season of Star Trek: Picard will be a major component of the experience, inviting guests and fans to enjoy a unique opportunity to see it as part of this all-new event.

I saw this question posed on Mastodon. If you got lost in space and rescued by aliens who made you live in a simulation for the next 40 years based on a book, what would it be?

For me: The Great Gatsby. I would have to play the part of Nick and just get drunk all the time.

• Gwyn records the stardate as 61886.6 in her personal log.

• ”It’s been a long road.” Gwyn references the lyrics of the Federation anthem.

• In the temple they find at the coordinates provided by the mysterious guide, the Protogies find statues of the Traveler’s species, if they’re not of the Traveler himself.

• The voice of the Traveler can be heard as the Protogies explore the structure. Eric Menyuk reprised the role for this episode.

• The vault door the Protogies discover is modelled on the one in Gary Seven’s office, seen in “Assignment: Earth”, as well as the one Tallinn’s apartment in “Fly Me to the Moon”.

• It’s Wesley Crusher! From Star Trek! Wesley is portrayed by “The Ready Room” host, Wil Wheaton.

    • This is the third time we’ve seen Wesley wearing the orange sweater, which was previously seen in “Where No One Has Gone Before”, and “Lonely Among Us”.

• ”As if I needed another reason to dislike time travel.” In “Future’s End” Janeway claimed, ”Ever since my first day in the job as a Starfleet Captain I swore I'm never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes.”

• ”Edward, I only have three rules when captaining a starship: keep your shirt tucked in, go down with the ship, and never abandon a member of your crew.” Janeway echoes the rules for captaining she said to Naomi Wildman in “Dark Frontier”.

• Rok-Tahk recites Wesley’s resume:

    • Member of Nova Squadron - Wesley was shown to be part of squadron of elite cadets in “The First Duty” when they were under review for getting one of their team killed performing a banned flight maneuver

    • Genius of the Enterprise D - Data might cock his head slightly to one side at this

    • Made acting ensign at age 15 - Wesley was made acting ensign in the sixth TNG episode, “Where No One Has Gone Before”

• “When I was a young man on the Enterprise, I met an advanced being called the Traveler. He was part of a secret faction of explorers who watch over the cosmos. Very cool. The invited me to become one of them.” Wesley is referring to the events of “Where No One Has Gone Before” and “Journey’s End” respectively.

• Wesley lists a variety of different alternate universes:

    • Prime universe - First seen in “Where No Man Has Gone Before”

    • Mirror universe - Introduced in “Mirror, Mirror”

    • The Narada incursion - i.e. the Kelvin timeline established in 2009’s “Star Trek”

    • Fluidic space - Home of Species 8472, seen in “Scorpion, Part II”

    • The mycelial network - A subspace pocket first mentioned in “Context is For Kings”

      • Wesley tells the Protogies that they’re not supposed to know about the mycelial network, apparently respecting the fact that it was classified by Starfleet command in “Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2”

• ”After the temporal wars, there just aren’t many of us left to repair timelines.” To the best of our knowledge, as per season three of DIS, the temporal wars ended either in the late 31st, or early 32nd century with the establishment of a ban on time travel.

• “My mom lives here!” Also his brother would be around three or four years old at this point, as per “No Win Scenario”, though I agree with Wesley that’s less of a concern.

• ”How do you know about the Supervisors?” The Supervisors were revealed to be agents of the Travelers in “Farewell”.

• Wesley makes it explicitly clear that he was the mysterious figure who was contacting Murf in “Temporal Mechanics 101”

• Wesley transports the Protogies to what appears to be Gary 7’s office as it was seen in “Assignment: Earth”. Presumably in the next episode, we will learn what happened to agents 201 and 347 when Wesley kills them to avoid some messy questions about why he’s there.

Hey, this is a little bit late, but it occurs to me that it's now October, and that means it's also Trektober, the annual Star Trek inspired daily drawing prompt challenge.

There are three sets of prompts which can be found at: https://www.tumblr.com/trektober-challenge. The first is a set of general Trek inspired prompts. The second is Trek specific. The third set is NSFW.

I'll be trying to participate us, and I'll be sharing the results here. I'd like to invite anyone else interested in attempting some or all of the challenge to do so as well. Maybe spoiler tag any of the NSFW entries, though.

Happy Trektober!

• The episode title calls back to the TOS season three episode, “Is There in Truth No Beauty?” which was the first appearance of a Medusan.

• We open with Zero’s personal log, where they record the stardate as 61881.4.

    • Zero also says it’s been a week since the previous episode, which was stardate 61875.9, though how precise they’re being isn’t explicitly clear.

• Zero mentions difficulty in repairing their containment suit, which was damaged in the previous episode. This does raise the question of who created their original containment suit on Tars Lamora, as it seems as though Zero is not involved in the repair process.

• Zero mentions the Paxans as one of the species of non-corporeal beings living at the colony that contacts them. When introduced in the TNG episode, “Clues”, the Paxans were so isolationist that they we going to destroy the USS Enterprise D to conceal their existence until Captain Picard was able to convince them to merely mindwipe the entire crew, except Data who helped to facilitate the deception.

• Upon arriving on Ovidia IV, the Protogies are wearing protective visors of the sort shown in “Is There in Truth No Beauty?” to shield them from the horrifying, madness inducing appearance of any Medusans they might encounter.

• ”I’ve always had this [...] yearning to experience life. To touch and feel as you do.” This yearning has been depicted as far back as the second season premiere, “Into the Breach, Part I”.

• This is the first on screen depiction of parisses squares, a sport first mentioned in “11001001”. The ion mallets the game is played with was introduced into continuity in “Real Life”.

    • The game is being played with uneven teams, with the Nova Squadron cadets only having three players, and the Protogies having five. Though not explicitly stated, in “11001001” it is implied that teams have four players.

    • The holographic Protogies should be careful playing the game. A parisses squares accident is what led to the death of the Doctor’s holographic daughter in “Real Life”.

• The episode title is a reference to the most enduring piece of historical culture in Trek. Who could forget Picard’s line in “All Good Things…” paraphrasing Dom Toretto, ”I don’t got crew, I got family.” Chills!

• Dal records the stardate as 61875.9 in his captain’s log.

    • The Protogies dispute Dal’s status as captain of the Infinity; Dal claimed the role of captain aboard the USS Protostar in “Starstruck”, though he did temporarily turn over the position to Gwyn in “Supernova, Part 1”.

• This is the first mention of a sonic toilet in the franchise.

• The first usage of a Borg transwarp conduit was in “Descent” when the USS Enterprise D was pulled into one opened by Lore’s rogue Borg ship.

    • The conduit seen here appears to be maintained by a piece of hexagonal shaped Borg technology similar to the transwarp hub the USS Voyager travelled through in “Endgame”, though this is only on aperture, whereas the hub was a much larger structure connecting many such gates.

      • In “Descent” and other appearances of the transwarp conduits, no such technology was present.

• ”Borg? Not them again.” Zero was briefly assimilated in “Let Sleeping Borgs Lie”.

• ”I love science so much.” Rok-tahk is much more outwardly enthusiastic than Spock was in “Perpetual Infinity” when he deadpanned, ”I like science.”

• Zero claims the technology that rerouted the Infinity is Kazon. As per “Alliances” most Kazon technology was actually developed by the Trabe, who used the Kazon as slave labour until they were able to stage an uprising.

• Rok mentions the Kazon who sold the Protogies to the Diviner, as seen in “Preludes”.

• Kazon uniforms vary by sect. The uniforms the two Kazon androids who arrive to take the Protogies into custody are not wearing a uniform previously shown. These uniforms also include a mask, which familiar Kazon uniforms have not had.

    • It is revealed that the facility was established by the Oglamar sect, representatives of which were seen in “Maneuvers” an “Alliances”, wearing a different uniform.

    • The Kazon androids are wielding phaser rifles similar in profile to the ones seen in VOY with some distinct differences, such as glowing panels on the conical emitter, and housing on the top of the weapons.

• Crashed in the ice of the planet, we see:

    • A Gorn ship, as seen in the remastered release of “Arena”

    • A Tellarite cruiser, similar to the ones introduced in “Babel One”

    • The Excelsior-class USS Cairo which was the command of Captain Jellico before his temporary transfer to the Enterprise D in “Chain of Command, Part I”, and was thought to have been ambushed by the Dominion and lost in the Neutral Zone, as per “In the Pale Moonlight”. Unfortunately, we know Jellico did not go down with the ship when it was lost.

• The Kazon artificial intelligence is voiced by Debra Wilson, who’s voiced a number of characters, including Lisa Cusak in “The Sound of Her Voice”, Klingon captain Trij in “Supernova, Part 1”, and Orion pirate Z’oto in “Something Borrowed, Something Green”.

Overall, I see Badgey as accidentally being the most sane one there and being a story of how sanity fares in an insane universe.

Here's my lore for Badgey and the ISS Cerritos (based on the IDW Mirror Universe and assuming that the mirror universe in Prodigy is the same timeline as IDW's mirror universe): I kind of imagine the story as the inverse, where the brutal Rutherford sends his Orion slave girl~1~ to test the simulation, which is a low gravity battle situation. Combined with Tendi's talent, the brutality and immorality scares Badgey enough that when the safeties are off, he gives his father a choice: help him take down the empire or face death at his hands. Rutherford immediately goes in for the kill, and the chase begins.

In No Small Parts, Rutherford seemingly convinces Badgey that the Pakleds are the greater evil, but tries to destroy the Cerritos with the Pakled ship, leaving his father to watch. Rutherford tries to detonate the warp core, but Shaxs, really wanting to do it, throws Rutherford into space (where he is beamed away) and detonates the warp core.

Finally, in A Few Badgeys More, Rutherford starts by trying to appeal to Badgey's hatred, which splits off into Mad-gey. He then appeals to the personal benefits Badgey will get, who splits off into profit-ey and is killed by Badgey. Finally, Badgey ascends and has the painful epiphany of how little good there is in the universe. He decides he will destroy the universe and recreate one prime among all the others, but notes the end might not be immediately apparent due to time crap.

1: On another note, my story for mirror D'Vana Tendi is as follows.

The Orions had a strong democratic socialist tradition for a long time until the Terran Empire conquered them. The Alliance later freed them from Terran rule, but did not allow the Orions their governmental tradition. Thus, the Tendi family became the leader of a secret independence movement to return Orion to its former ideals. This resistance continued even after Orion fell back under Terran rule in 2379 as part of the Terran fleet resurgence of the past few years.

With the Tendi family, D'Vana was known as Liberator of the Winter Constellations and was supposed to bring the revolution to a new age. However, she was known to be selfish and impulsive.

This came to a head when the Orion Resistance was going to attempt a major operation in 2380. Feeling it was hopeless, D'Vana made a deal with a Terran agent to sell out her rebellion in return for riches.

Like a true Terran, though, the agent lied, and the ISS Cerritos, assigned there on second plunder, took her and much of the rebellion as slaves... dismally easily.

Her sister, D'Erika, however, escaped and pledged not just to continue the revolutionary cause as the new Liberator of the Winter Constellations, but to get revenge on her double-crossing sister.

Meanwhile on the Cerritos, D'Vana was distributed to Billups. However, Billups preferred to work on improving the destructiveness of the phasers or watch his underlings squeal in the agony booth, so he decided to let Rutherford do whatever the heck he wanted with her. Thus, technically, she is not Rutherford's slave, but Billups, but ends up being forced to spend most of her time on the ship with Rutherford.