trwnh

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#activitypub thonk: delivering to a Collection is nonsensical because a Collection could be an actor. but so can a Group

basically you have implicit behavior "the Collection needs to be expanded to its items which are assumed to all be actors" just like a Group might expand to all its members (except the assumption there is a bit stronger, you can generally expect a Group's members to all be individuals?)

whereas something like WAC makes a distinction between agent, agentGroup, agentClass

#fediverse

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago

also i should mention since this is happening kind of simultaneously, this is not about the social web foundation's use of the terms "social web" and "fediverse", although the blog post did go live in the middle of me writing the thread which is a kind of irony i guess. another irony is that even though it's not about that, it could still be kinda about that. if nothing else, it demonstrates that "social web" and "fediverse" are not synonyms.

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

now available in html form, uri not guaranteed to resolve forever https://trwnh.com/unstable/fedi-vs-web.html

@ anyone who asked for a blog post, this is next closest thing, i don't really have a proper blog set up and i kinda don't wanna think about it right now

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@MichaelTBacon@social.coop this has the potential to be like when people kept getting farmville activities in their facebook feeds 😭

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

@MichaelTBacon@social.coop unfortunately the common response to "can we make things better" is "we need $200k"

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

@MichaelTBacon@social.coop right, i'm just wondering how to nudge implementers in the "right" direction on here (story of my life for the past 5 years lol)

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

@MichaelTBacon@social.coop actually my main reservations about it are like

  • how much do i base it off of current practices, and how much do i base it off of correct practices?
  • is it worth the effort? is any project going to be on board with it?
  • no really, is it worth the effort? should i be putting that effort into doing the better thing from the start?
[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

@MichaelTBacon@social.coop i'm rotating in my head the idea of a FEP that defines a conformance profile for a "social networking profile" that basically formalizes what you'd need to implement a "fediverse network", basically as a superset of AS2+AP (because AP is not enough on its own, it says nothing about message shapes or how to interpret specific props in a social network setting)

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago (9 children)

@MichaelTBacon@social.coop In other words, a "protocol" needs to know everything there is to know, and it is undesirable to have unknowns. Contrast with the viewpoint that it's perfectly fine to have unknowns, and in fact, you can expect unknowns by default. You'll never have a complete view of the universe.

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 0 points 9 months ago (11 children)

@MichaelTBacon i think you're using closed/open in a different way from how i'm using it, which for formal logic means either "everything is true unless it's false" or "there are some things i don't know, and they aren't necessarily false, i just don't know"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-world_assumption

[–] trwnh@mastodon.social 1 points 9 months ago

@darius@friend.camp yeah, this is complicated by every fedi thing being its own web browser :( and this is on top of it also being its own mail server... it just ends up doing both poorly.

 

idk where to really put this (might turn into a blog post later or something). it's what you might call a "hot take", certainly a heterodox one to some parts of the broader #fediverse community. this is in response to recent discussion on "what do you want to see from AP/AS2 specs" (in context of wg rechartering) mostly devolving into people complaining about JSON-LD and extensibility, some even about namespacing in general (there was a suggestion to use UUID vocab terms. i'm not joking)

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