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Don't take this the wrong way, I hate terrorism and nothing justifies it but the American government didn't care about American or non white people dying while forming an alliance with Pakistan to train terrorists in Afghanistan. They knew full well how dangerous these people were. What the American government basically did was hit a hornet's nest violently in hopes that they will attack your neighbour, and act surprised when some of them came to bite your own face. If a person did that, they he would be a fool. If the American government does that, it's 'a mistake' at best.

That's awful. There was a brigade by a bunch of non-Indian .ml users saying some weird shit and downvoting us on it -- I think someone even called u/mukt a reactionary nationalist who had no place on .ml? Well I am no nationalist myself and understand why they don't want right-wing/liberal content on their instance (presuming that was the reason), it still seems a bit rude not to say anything at all tbh. Not to mention said brigading. It's a shame none of the other communities are very active, tbh.

आपने दिल्ली का ज़िक्र किया, इसलिए हिंदी में लिख रही हूँ।

घबराहट जायज़ है, पर कोई बात नहीं। मै उत्तर भारत की निवासी नहीं हूँ, तो मै आपकी परिस्थिति नहीं समझ सकती हूँ, पर यह पहली बार नहीं की जंग की घोषणा हुई है। खबरिया चैनलों से दूर रहिये, आपके ज़ेहनी सेहत के लिए अच्छी नहीं है। उन्हें इंसानियत की कोई कदर नहीं है। यह भी गुज़र जायेगा। वैसे भी हमारी वायु सेना सब कुछ रोक रही है। आख़िर, "वक़्त रहता नहीं कही टिक कर, आदत इसकी भी आदमी सी है।" -गुलज़ार

This is a fair assessment. I am surprised. I've been seeing a lot of denial of Pakistan's association with terrorism around this site.

Traditionally, resistance movements in Kashmir did not target tourists. This was because it had an implicit agreement with the business class and local Kashmiris whose bread and butter was tourism. So harming tourists would make you look like an extremist who doesn't care about the locals. Additionally, the terrorist attack was condemned by Kashmiris coming out in the streets to protest for the first time in history. TRF doesn't have widespread support among Kashmiris because of this attack and a previous killing in Reasi, of tourists as well. In both attacks, Kashmiri people lost lives as well. A famous militant, Burhan Wani had a lot of popularity in Kashmir-300,000 people attended his funeral. But he and his gang were caught, and while they had received arms from across the border, they didn't have the sophisticated technology that these terrorists did. This particular operation was highly sophisticated and efficient, more in the pattern of trained terrorists from the attacks above listed than indigenous rebels we've seen in Kashmir. So it is quite likely it was a Pakistan funded proxy. LeT is called the most reliable and efficient proxy Pakistan uses against India, though they have conducted attacks in Bosnia and Herzegovina as well.

I can suggest a few books on Kashmir Christopher Snedden - Independant Kashmir (sympathetic to the cause, but arguably that's the moral position to take. Either way, it's fairly objective.) And a few on terrorism and LeT, if you'd like In their own words: Understanding Lashkar-e-Tayyaba - C. Christine Fair Storming the World Stage - the Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba - Frankel Stephen The one above goes into depth about the Pakistani government's complicity in the activities of the group. Some of the sites detailed in this book were struck by the Indian government in the missile strike.

Why did Pakistan attack gurudwaras in Poonch, again? Why are they targeting Indian cities?

*Azhar. Yes, it's a terrorist organisation. It is a UN designated terrorist organisation. If you're calling 'religious education' given to men like Ajmal Kasab (he mentioned it in his confession) then I have nothing to say to you. The Indian army doesn't tell people to kill Hindus, it employs both Hindus and Muslims. Indian schools don't tell us to kill Muslims, this is some delusional shite.

Why would an ordinary masjid host a well known, widely despised figure like Saeed? As far as I am aware, ordinary Pakistanis condemn Saeed for the Mumbai attacks.

In 1984, Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi, currently on trial in Pakistan for his role in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, formed a small group of Ahl-e-Hadith Muslims from Pakistan to wage jihad against Soviets forces in Afghanistan. The Ahl-e-Hadith are Salafist in orientation, meaning they believe Muslims must return to a pure form of Islam and advocate emulating the Prophet Muhammad and his companions in all areas of life. A year later, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed and Zafar Iqbal, two teachers at the University of Engineering and Technology (Lahore) Pakistan, formed the Jamaat-ul-Dawa (Organization for Preaching, or JuD). This was a small missionary group primarily dedicated to preaching the tenets of Ahl-e-Hadith Islam. In 1986, Lakhvi merged his outfit with JuD to form LeT’s parent organization, the Markaz al-Dawa-wal-Irshad(Center for Preaching and Guidance, or MDI). The group had 17 original founders, Abdullah Azzam being the most famous of them. Azzam was Osama bin Laden’s first mentor and the man most responsible for the influx of foreign fighters into Afghanistan during the 1980s.

From this paper https://web.archive.org/web/20110507114538/http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica.net/files/policydocs/Tankel_LeT_0.pdf. JuD is a known front of Lashkar. The camp was for the purpose of Daura-e-Sufa, Daura-e-Aam and Khas are done elsewhere.

Why not?

If it was civilian infrastructure, why was the man leading the funeral a famous terrorist, and not a local religious cleric? And see, here's the thing. If you join LeT, you are a terrorist. Doesn't matter if you just go there to sweep the floors. And no, ordinary Muslims don't go to mosques associated with global terror organisations. LeT is officially a banned organisation in Pakistan, and has a huge stigma among Pakistanis because of its involvement in the the 2000s, like the Mumbai attacks, Parliament attacks and Red Fort attacks. Why would Pakistanis go there when they have condemned the attacks and called them unislamic? If ISIS opened a mosque near you, and you knew it was frequented by famous ISIS members, would you go there every Friday? It's not just a mosque, it is an LeT mosque that spreads LeT propaganda.

Frankly, you're just dismissing everything as coincidences. The original comment was in response to the article claiming that the mosque was an ordinary religious structure. I have successfully disproved that. I don't work for the Indian intelligence agency. I'm sure they have far better proofs. Either way, I condemn this reactionary war. Neither side values the life of civilians and both sides are shit, not because what India targeted weren't terrorist sites. Killing terrorists and destroying terror facilities doesn't end terrorism, just postpone it on the short term. Actually cracking down on terror, preventing radicalisation, helping Kashmir, and acting against the bourgeois sponsors of global terror does. For this, Pakistan has to comply as well, and it isn't likely to being a deeply reactionary bourgeois dictatorship. The end of LeT can only be accomplished by Pakistanis overthrowing its military government to establish a people's republic and our own proletarians to do the same. But that is a far off fantasy, looking at the state of both the Pakistani and Indian people swayed by the PTI on one side and the various bourgeois nationalist governments on the other.

Considering the fact that Khawaja Asif said that he gets all his information from social media in an interview, I am going to wait it out, to be honest. They've been flooding social media with old videos. The truth is the first casualty in war.

The broader points were Pakistan's habit of denial, which has continued till 2022. If they shielded Mir till 2022, why do you expect me to believe they aren't shielding the Muridke camp either? I agree, India should provide evidence to the international community. But Pakistan shouldn't be taken at its word.

Not only that, Azhar gave a speech there after being reported missing for two years on, again, Nov. 30 2024, in Muridke. Three LeT members as of yesterday, 2025 were reported dead by Pakistan itself, and the Army attended their funerals and wrapped them in Pakistan flags and did their janaza in that very campus. This confirms the camp was active as of 2024 and terrorists were present when India struck that camp. Otherwise, why would those three LeT members die, if it was only civilian infrastructure? Why would Rauf lead the funeral at that camp, record it and upload it, if that very location did not have any terrorists? Why would Azhar feel secured enough to be right there and give a speech and record it, making it available to any journalist with an internet connection, in full view of his location? This is not 'vibes' based targeting. It's cold, hard proof of the presence of known LeT members. That particular camp.

Yeah, you're right mate, but he's talking specifically about the Muridke one. This one too, was evidently a terror base as confirmed by Azhar himself. Though it's actually quite famous among journalists. Afaik, the one at Sawai Nala, Muzaffarabad was also involved in the 26/11 attack, from what I've read. Crazy how these people deny years of evidence collected by their own countries. Like, I'm just a normal person, not the intelligence agency and even I could recognise several camps based on reading foreign academic research on LeT and Pakistan. It's kind of funny how well known they are, how often these names pop up in books and papers, including actual written propaganda, leaflets and magazines. It's not some secret that only RAW knows about.

Wow. So you ignored the whole

1. Shielding of Sajad Mir till 2022, despite official Pakistani government claims that he was dead.
2. Historical denial of 2008 attacks for several years, despite Pakistani claims that they weren't involved
3. Lakhvi's release in 2015, despite claims that 2008 terrorists were dealt with
4. Pakistani army officials attending the funeral of known terrorists in the presence of UN designated terrorist, Hafiz Abdul Rauf, in 2025, despite claims that they don't support terrorism
5. Pakistan's historical 'good terrorist, bad terrorist' double game, and evidence for its continuation today, despite claims that it doesn't

Well, here's the thing. Masood Azhar, who had disappeared from intelligence agencies for nearly two years due to international pressure, resurfaced in the same Muridke camp on 30 November 2024 and gave a speech. Forgive me if I, or even academics like the ones above are sceptical of Pakistan's claims of taking over that mosque. Also, work on your reading comprehension. There were several points you straight up ignored.