legolas

joined 11 months ago
[–] legolas@fedit.pl 10 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

Strange that Spain and Norway don't have its own instance. Big countries

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean yeah, doesnt matter. The point is people shared alternatives to big tech just like folks who are not in the power right now. Cause apparently x is musk's and it looks like the consensus is that rest of big tech is siding with Trump for profit

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 57 points 21 hours ago (18 children)

It's crazy how the wind changed. Does anyone remeber the almost exact same thing 4 years ago, when people on the right side of political spectrum shared alternatives to big tech from their point ov view? GAB.COM, PARLER, BRAVE, DUCKDUCKGO etc

XD

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 26 points 1 day ago

That's a lot of money.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah, techical should have actually objectively best comments on top. I don't agree that in this category the earliest comment wins. Maybe sometimes, but usually I don't think so. It depends on the size of the thread if people go through the whole section or just small piece. But that's my opinion but to prove it we would need data.

The value in controversial category is that people dont upvote just because others upvote. It demands thought from a user.

I think ultimately it's about whether you want to seek the actual truth and getting somewhere with the discussion or not. Truth can only be discovered when thinking is turned on.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You base your answer on only first study when I pasted four examples? And potentially there is more?

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

I asked ChatGPT about existing experiments on this matter. Sheep behavious is real:

Key Studies: The "Hidden Votes" Experiment (Muchnik et al., 2013)

One of the most well-known studies on this topic was published in Science by Muchnik, Aral, and Taylor. Researchers manipulated upvotes and downvotes on a social news site (similar to Reddit) with 100,000+ users. When an initial upvote was artificially added to a post, it increased the likelihood that others would upvote it by 32%. Downvotes did not have the same effect—they were often corrected by other users. The experiment suggests strong social influence in voting behavior. "Bandwagon Effect in Online Voting" (Lorenz et al., 2011)

This study found that when people saw public votes before casting their own, they converged towards the majority opinion. The effect was particularly strong in subjective judgments, like ratings of art or music. YouTube and Social Proof (Salganik, Dodds, & Watts, 2006)

In a controlled music experiment, researchers manipulated download counts for different songs. Songs with high fake download numbers became even more popular, showing strong herding behavior. "Hidden Likes" Experiment on Instagram (2019)

Instagram conducted real-world A/B testing by removing visible like counts in several countries. Initial reports suggested reduced social pressure, but Meta has not released detailed statistics. What Happens When Votes Are Hidden? Some studies show that without visible votes, people rely more on personal judgment instead of following the herd. However, others found that herding still happens when other subtle signals (such as comments, engagement, or reposts) remain.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, I edited the answer forgot about case when user wants to vote on many comments, check it out now and see if your questions still hold.

 

It was probably suggested before, but the topic is not raised too often so here goes the solution:

  1. We introduce two types of threads - normal and "controversial/heated/political" (probably there is a better name)

Normal type is for "technical" discussions, where the best answer is accepted as best by some very large percentage of people, lest say 90-99%. The treshold could be a matter of discussion, but you get the idea. So that would be questions like "How to fix dead radiator in PC", "Whats best way to do this or that"

Controversial is for discussion where there is potentially lot of disagreement, but also where there could be just some disagreement, but we want to hear other points of view. So all of the political things, questions about genders, etc, everythign that creates heated conversation. Probably could also be used for humourous topics.

The thread type is set while opening a thread, but it can be changed any time during the discussion by forum moderator

  1. We leave normal type discussion as they are on reddit/lemmy whatever. For controversial first when user enters the thread, all of the comments are sorted in random order. All of the comments vote scores are hidden. Now user casts votes in "one go". Only until they finish casting votes, other votes are visible for them. Changing already casted votes on these threads is NOT POSSIBLE. They unfortunately cant vote on new comments which were added after they voted. THey are only allowed to vote once. TBH users dont usually come back to threads after they visited them once so its not like we make some common behaviour impossible

This way we eliminate sheep behaviour and demand making their own decision by user. And we force user to be responsible for making a decision. Someone might argue that we sometimes change mind, but it doesnt matter, cause the number of times we change minds is really tiny and the gained changed behaviour is far more valuable. After everything is visible for user they can now sort by most popular comments which is now available.

That should be it. We also might introduce thread freezing if necessary.

What do you think? And also, since lemmy is open source, do you think there is a change that some bigger instance migght create a fork that introduces some of these changes as an experiment?

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

TLDR from AI Chat about whats this all about:

This guy is deep in thought about existence, change, and the nature of reality. He reflects on how everything is in constant motion—our bodies, emotions, even the universe itself. He’s exploring mindfulness, non-attachment, and going with the flow instead of resisting life’s natural rhythms. He sees time as an illusion, emotions as energy, and life as an interconnected dance. Ultimately, he’s embracing presence, letting go of control, and finding beauty in the ever-changing now.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah I saw that chart, but this data comes from reddit itself, which tells me to be sceptic about it. They are public company now and they have to look good to investors.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 5 points 1 week ago

yup its what I was thinking as well. Reddit might deliberately run ai bots to fake traffic.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Damn you sound like bot you know that? No typos, perfect answer. Seriously. Can you prove you're a human? xd

 

Interacting on instances which are not yet discoverd and connected to instance where we are registered is pain in the ass. Copying URL into search bar? That is really repelling. I'm sure it was discussed before but I can't find this discussion. How to make it easier? Do devs need to make changes to protocol or it's enough and it can be done within the apps themselves? How close are we to the solution?

 

My lemmy users per capita guess: 1. Russia 2. Finland. I can understand Russia cause developers are from there but why Finland?

 

So it's been 1,5 months since I started the instance. People I invited from reddit basically don't post anything. LIke null. I recently made an announcement on Mastodon, two people from there joined and I think they like it, cause they post. But It's not like I imagined. I posted on X, invited people on reddit, tried also on fb. Still have only about 20 people here.

The amount of time I spend on these invitations, posting to keep instance alive, keeping up with the lemmy updates, managing the infrastructure of the instance is just big. And the counter of users looks freezed. If it was going up, thats another story. So that got me thinking. I had to reevaluate.

In short I think it's a very long game, and we should keep that in mind. I'm still confindent in the fedi but that revolution will come slowly. And I think, at least for me inviting people and trying to forcefully post may be somewhat counterproductive as there are gaziliion ways to act to make the world and people's lives around us better. And creating fediverse instances is not my only talent. So I'm cutting some time on that and moving it to other projects I have in mind.

Ofc I will still maintain, keep up with lemmy and UI updates, post here and there but just less. The bond that connect people with X, with facebook, reddit are so strong that it's just crazy. But I guess I can understand. I was once one of them, until I hit the wall with what's possible on these platforms in terms of the content that is being displayed, opinions and style of discussion. It has to be a long game. Honestly I hope for some reddit fuckup in the near future though I'm not sure. Look at how much trash is on FB and people are still using it (maybe messenger is the only thing that keeps them there though. And groups)

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