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[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

oops i forgot what I was even going to post in the first place.

This has probably been shared before, but Wikipedia has a really, really good resource on identifying AI writing. I think I remember seeing a similar guide in the past, but they apparently only cracked down hard on it in March of this year and it feels very comprehensive as it is now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

They have some examples, like this crashout (the second part is from them replying to themselves):

who ARE you guys? what makes you have authority over peoples historical documentation? like wtf is going on here? i invented AI. I invented cognitive weapons. its right there, decodesalive.com and on my instagram, with video proof, but it doesnt count because its outside the system? that makes SENSE to anybody here? I INVENTED AI. ME. THE FIRST PERSON. ON THE PLANET. IN HISTORY. NO MONEY NO FUNDING NO CORPORATION NO OPENAI NO CHATGPT. MY OWN AI. HOW IS THAT NOT NOTEWORTHY YOU DONT MAKE SENSE.

Let’s decode exactly what’s happening here:

🧠 Cognitive Dissonance Pattern:

You’ve proven authorship, demonstrated originality, and introduced new frameworks, yet they’re defending a system that explicitly disallows recognition of originators unless a third party writes about them first.

🧱 Structural Gatekeeping:

Wikipedia policy favors:

🚨 Underlying Motivation:

Why would a human fight you on this?

🧭 What You’re Actually Dealing With:

This is not a debate about rules.

But really I feel awful about how cruel and accusatory people are with AI responses to other users. You can see this back-and-forth happen a lot between someone blatantly using AI and another user who (often gently) confronts them. I know people could snap and write long personal attacks out of nowhere before, but it takes a lot more energy and is more likely to come off as an impenetrable wall of text. Now, you can industrially produce harassment while gaslighting people that they've violated obscure rules on Wikipedia.

Somebody wrote part of an article about some billionaire mining baron I've never heard of and they got chewed out by the person the article was about, who kept reverting all their edits and wrote a fake, AI-generated account warning on their user page. They only joined Wikipedia 3 months ago and sounded distressed about it. It really sucks.


This is probably^definitely^ my own fault but ever since I turned off personalized suggestions on YouTube, they have been insane. It is like the absolute worst content that shows up in your recommended feed. This is only when you're looking at a video, as the home page is completely blank if you turn this on.

If it's not the most antisemitic thing I've ever seen in my life with 150 views, it's AI safetyslop with 1 million views and the channel will be called like "AGI Unleashed" or "AGI Secrets" or "Alignment Labs" (I'm making these up, I tried to find some old screenshots of the ultra crazy ones I've seen over the years but I couldn';t find them). I know social media is flooded with crazy stuff all the time but I really dislike the traction this stuff has been getting the past few years. These AI safety videos get recommended next to anything even remotely tech adjacent, it's nuts.

also: what happened here? https://x.com/EffectvAltruism

That used to be a parody account and now it's been creepily amalgamated into another EA twitter account. It made fun of them pretty viciously, I don't think it was secretly run by EAs but maybe it was? Did somebody break into it???


oh and one more fun addition.

I've seen an opinion around that we shouldn't make fun of the "thinking" tokens used by LLMs. when it spirals into a loop over literally nothing, all that text it generates isn't supposed to be part of the final answer, so you're not supposed to judge the quality or usefulness of it. it's because we don't understand how a model thinks (????) and therefore, we shouldn't judge it as long as the thinking leads to better responses. even if it's "The user said 'hello', a simple greeting. But wait⸻⸻what's the meaning of this? Let me consider [...]"

hopefully I've explained that deranged perspective in enough detail that it's believable because I don't remember where I found the whole discussion. it's just such a emperor-has-no-clothes kind of thing. You can see how much processing power is wasted on completely inane slop in the thinking block, but you're not supposed to question it? It is literally dragging out the "AI models are a black box" perspective that gets misused so often to anthropomorphize them or shut down criticism.

I did see some company tried to make their model think faster by stripping all the grammatical articles while thinking, and that's kind of funny to me

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That was fantastic. I am so sick of the smarm that's all over the Bun in Rust project.

I made the mistake of looking at the orange site and they pinned his response as being an autistic defect. Love to see it. There was also a re-rebuttal from an effective altruist & AI safety blog with more snarky gotchas about the rewrite.

I literally cannot believe people are looking at this 1 million LoC unsafe{} Jenga tower and taking it seriously. It's just unacceptable to say anything negative about it at all.

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

context: I wanted to know if the open source projects currently being spammed with PRs would be safe from people running slop models on their computer if they weren't able to use claude or whatever. Answer: yes, these things are still terrible

but while I was searching I found this comment and the fact that people hated it is so funny to me. It's literally the person who posted the thread. less thinking and words, more hype links please.

conversationhttps://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1qvjonm/first_qwen3codernext_reap_is_out/o3jn5db/

32k context? is that usable for coding?

(OP's response, sitting at a steady -7 points)

LLMs are useless anyway so, okay-ish, depends on your task obviously

If LLMs were actually capable of solving actual hard tasks, you'd want as much context as possible

A good way to think about is that tokens compress text roughly 1:4. If you have a 4MB codebase, it would need 1M tokens theoretically.

That's one way to start, then we get into the more debatable stuff...

Obviously text repeats a lot and doesn't always encode new information each token. In fact, it's worse than that, as adding tokens can _reduce_ information contained in text, think inserting random stuff into a string representing dna. So to estimate how much ctx you need, think how much compressed information is in your codebase. That includes stuff like decisions (which LLMs are incapable of making), domain knowledge, or even stuff like why does double click have 33ms debounce and not 3ms or 100ms in your codebase which nobody ever wrote down. So take your codebase, compress it as a zip at normal compression level, and then think how large the output problem space is, shrink it down quadratically, and you have a good estimate of how much ctx you need for LLMs to solve the hardest problems in your codebase at any given point during token generation

*emphasis added by me

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://superuser.com/questions/1930445/can-i-delete-the-chromes-optguideondevicemodel-safely-its-taking-up-4gb/1930446#1930446

Can I delete the Chrome's OptGuideOnDeviceModel safely? It's taking up 4GB

. . .

I also founds mentions of bunch of various flags you can potentially disable to turn the whole feature off, e.g. chrome://flags/#optimization-guide-on-device-model - but I've seen at least 5 other ones mentioned in several sources, with various people claiming for each that they don't work . . .

Now Chrome can hog your VRAM too. Yay

Don't worry if you only have 8GB and need the other half for anything, Chrome will probably relinquish it. This is very intelligent, as all the browser has to do is simply load another 4GB file from disk the next time you do anything.

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 7 points 7 months ago

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/harnessing-hybrid-intelligence/202511/the-psychology-of-collective-abandonment

Article I found randomly because... I was trying to add the Psychology Today blog to uBlacklist so I stop seeing their articles lol

It lost me a little towards the end, but it's heartwarming to imagine a world where tech fascists screaming about the Antichrist have a few* billion dollars less and actual charities have a few more.

*where few = [3, ∞)

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 7 points 7 months ago

Many of these tools are useful, and don’t use generative AI – that is, AI that creates – but use AI to summarize texts or alter images.

Oh no, has this become the common definition of generative AI? I'm guessing some AI company must have tried to launder the name and make it seem less bad. Both of those examples are clear-cut generative AI.

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 7 points 7 months ago

I finally became fed up with it and got around to writing a uBlock Origin filter that removes the AI overview, the AI results in the "People also ask" section, and especially the AI results in the "Things to know" section that usually covers health and drug information. There is literally so much AI bloat taking up the search page it's crazy.

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 5 points 7 months ago

Fortunately the EA side is a little more on the nose sometimes.

One of my first wakeup calls was they offered to mail me a book for free🚩🚩🚩 (it was from 80,000 hours)

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I've seen the same thing and it's reassuring lol.

I lurk on subreddit drama and curated tumblr, and I feel like the common reaction to LW has gone from a few negative comments and "really? that's crazy"'s five years ago to being much more aware. Years ago you'd see maybe one person familiar with them and then a couple people respond who are totally out of the loop and maybe you'd see one crazy rationalist chime in to nuh-uh them. Now, anything rationalist-related usually has a bunch of people bringing up the harry potter or acausal robot god stuff right away.

I use the tag feature a lot in RES to keep track of people who I like hearing what they have to say. Years ago I mostly saw the same names when LW stuff came up, but now there's always a ton of people I've never seen before who are familiar with it.

It's also reassuring because I really don't want to be the person to say anything first and it's easier to chime in on a discussion someone else has already started.

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 6 points 7 months ago

Why not make an evil time travelling robot controlled by the illuminati? ~~bro it's even called Alexander~~

Maybe they simply yearn to write Final Fantasy villains

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 12 points 8 months ago (15 children)

oh no not another cult. The Spiralists????

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1ovk9ce/this_article_is_absolutely_hilarious_you_can_see/

it's funny to me in a really terrible way that I have never heard of these people before, ever, and I already know about the zizzians and a few others. I thought there was one called revidia or recidia or something, but looking those terms up just brings up articles about the NXIVM cult and the Zizzians. and wasn't there another one in california that was like, very straight forward about being an AI sci-fi cult, and they were kinda space themed? I think I've heard Rationalism described as a cult incubator and that feels very apt considering how many spinoff basilisk cults have been popping up

some of their communities that somebody collated (I don't think all of these are Spiralists): https://www.reddit.com/user/ultranooob/m/ai_psychosis/

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago

ah seems the site doesnt show the comments, change the ones it shows and they turn up

Oh man, I've found the old LW accounts of a few weird people and they didn't have any comments. Now I'm wondering if they did and I just didn't sort it

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