[-] guismo@aussie.zone 23 points 1 day ago

Noooo! I don't care about Google play. I only use it from fdroid. It's the most important app on my phone! What will i do now?

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 1 points 6 days ago

I'm not sure if it's influence of propaganda. I used to be very active against israel and US some 15 years ago. I was sacrificing my life for it and I realized nothing would change but I was hurting myself. 15 years later nothing changed. It didn't change 15 years before I started either. So a long period of time will mean I won't live to see it.

I stopped getting involved and tried to just not know about it. The result is the same but I don't suffer. But living here it's impossible to ignore and I'm part of the problem. It won't change, but I'm helping to make it worse here

But yes, I'll do what you and jaek suggested until I figure out what to do. To me it's much more important to not help israel than it is to help those they destroy. And that's the main thing I want to do, not help them.

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago

I'm in a small town, so not much going on here. And while the protests should continue and I'm happy with their numbers, the media actually manage to turn it against the cause and increase the general population support for this kind of atrocity. When I see the news on the tv covering protest I'm afraid, because I know exactly what it will show and I'm always right. They usually don't even mention what the protest is about and the few people they give voice and the morons they interview are always just talking about how dangerous the protesters are, how "against peace", how pro terrorists, how they damage the economy and how they will eat your dog and rape your kids. Basically inciting the population to protest against the protesters.

I have never seen such biased and clearly controlled media as here, except for the US. It's amazing how powerful they are. I know that in most countries they usually just show the israeli side and just "forget" to show the other one. But here it's a clear propaganda and manipulation. So if anything the average person who doesn't look for more info will just defend the war point of view more with the protests being shown on tv.

And it shows. Even here, where people are more "leftists" (whatever that means) I see many "fox news" points of view. On reddit it's a lost cause. And talking to the average people it's the same. Everyone just knows that "israel is fighting terrorists".

It's what I complained about on my other posts regarding the military monuments. It's a fundamental part of australian culture and I see little hope of that changing. The countries that show some courage against israel have a whole history of not admiring the military and not being dogs of the US that often. Or being muslim based countries.

So I don't see how that can change any time soon but that doesn't change that I am being part of the problem being here, and that people are being murdered with my support.

Supporting help for palestinians is good and should happen, like the protests. But that won't fix anything and will just have to be something that needs to be done forever. Or until there is no Palestine left.

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago

And I am complicit with this, and all the support Australia gives to US and israel by paying my taxes. As some @#$!#$ from the government said when censoring the protests, "Australia is a peace loving country".

Is there anything I can do other than just leave? I love living here, but this military fetish gives me constant guilt and anxiety of being here because I know I'm supporting that, and who knows how many people were killed using my work, to then later on get a monument erected praising the fact...

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the info. Though what I wanted to post was asking about the protests, which zero_gravitas answered.

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

I wish I could do something about people using facebook/instagram.... What I can see is very limited. But thanks a lot! From the thumbnails I got the location. I will try to go. The APAN website seems to have better info. I saw that website before but got confused. There are many websites and it's hard to tell what's more "official".

Regarding posting here, I don't have the energy for that. I learned a lot from the last post, but it's very exhausting when I have a polemic opinion and I get a bunch of people against me. And like a guy said there, I may just be the problem. Either way with the links you gave me I now know where to look. So thanks again!

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Where do you get that info? I'm trying to find but searching online just gives me zionist news like abc and so on. I imagine it's all on facebook which I don't use. Even searching on lemmy I only find news about the conflict. I imagine mods don't allow support for protests, even though I thought lemmy would be the ideal place to post about this.

I thought of making a topic about it but i fear i might just get banned, since my previous post against military wasn't exactly well received.

Anyway, do you know where it will be?

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Yes. And I'm considering that.

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Thanks for respectfully disagreeing. Yes, as I said on other post, the term I use is not quite right, but it's how I see it. I just fundamentally see these things in a different way. What you guys see as mourning I see as celebration. But I do understand the intention.

I believe I will learn to see past it (though for 10 years I haven't yet). But if I found my objective it would be a nice bonus.

And thanks, it is genuine. I traveled dozens of thousands of km looking for my ideal town, which I still hope to find!

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thank you for the very neutral answer. I would say it's the most respectful position I ever heard an Australian saying.

The thing with gravestones is that; 1- They eventually get forgotten. You can't remember every dead person forever, you can't remember every war (what about with the aboriginals? why is that forgotten?). No "lest we forget" stuff, and it's been long enough. 2- Any event related to it is almost always hurtful, said, and can't be manipulated. You suffer visiting the grave of your loved ones. You don't celebrate. And you don't make one in every corner and ignore every other people who died. I have always heard Australians talking about pain regarding remembering, I have never seen anyone or any event even remotely giving that feeling. (RSL with gambling and drinking? whould you do that to remember you dead son?). So as I said before, if there noble intentions with these things, they don't seem to have ever happened or everything I saw was an exception.

But regardless, it's a war where you go to kill people. Your intentions are noble and so does the "enemy" thinks as well. I feel uncomfortable with any monuments to that, justified or not. But again, that's just me. I understand the reasons even if they don't seem to work in the end to me.

By all means defend yourself you're invaded. Just never (to me) let you going there to kill the guy who invaded be celebrated.

Edit, ah, I didn't want to say my country of origin because I didn't want it to affect opinions (I could be from Iraq, who knows?) But it's Brazil. Brazil did send people to the war, but it's a very religious country, so most monuments are for religion, while here it's war. In fact to me war seemed like Australian's religion.

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago

To me, that part, just like the war, should be learned about, its consequences dealt with, and forgotten about and just shamed. This happened before anyone I know was born. We will live with the consequences but it's not their fault.

But unlike the wars, I don't see monuments for aboriginal genocide. Oddly enough, I don't see monuments remembering the murdered aboriginals either. Even though most of the small towns I've been to had a rich history of aboriginal massacres.

[-] guismo@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, many of the ones I went to didn't have military history. Yet they made worship monuments just for the war in general. As a kind of obligation or something. I see RSL as just a place where people can go to gamble, so I don't even really associate it with military. It was much later that I learned that it's not just a gambling and drinking club, but something related to military which was a very weird mix to me.

ANZAC... yes... I dislike that a lot, but you can just avoid any event, unlike monuments everywhere.

Did your city not have any monument?

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Final edit: Sorry guys, this got out of hand as I feared and it would take too long to answer everything properly and it would just offend more people.

I got some nice tips for finding places and learned more about Australian's views on the subject. I should have been more careful with what I said. It changed my opinion somewhat but people here would still not like it, so I'll keep it to myself.

Thanks for the very civilized and nice answers and I'm sorry if I didn't answer. I would like to, but in private, or this could become a witch hunt. I do not wish to offend anyone or be attacked because of that. As someone commented, I am the problem here.


Hi everyone, I’ve been lurking for a long time and decided to try to ask something I can’t find out.

First, please be tolerant about the question. I am an Australian citizen, but from a foreign background, so cultural things that seem sacred and unquestionable here are not the same to me. I wouldn’t be crazy to post this on reddit (though I deleted my account ages ago) because I know all the posts would just be attacking me (if you don’t like it, leave, are you defending terrorists?, and so on), instead of helpful comments. Hopefully it will be different here.

The question is: is there any Australian town free from military worship? I mean monuments everywhere, pools and parks named after it and so on. Somewhere I can forget and pretend that this is not how the rest of Australia is.

I’ve been traveling around trying to find a place I would like to settle. I found many small towns I liked, but it seems that the smaller the town, the higher the military worship. They may not even have a public toilet, but they will have a military worship statue that seemed to have cost more than all the town to build.

I love Australia, specially the outback, but the military worship issue is so big that makes me think of looking for another country. I know my taxes are being used to send people to kill whoever the US doesn’t like, and the country prides itself with this history. But if I can ignore that, I can pretend to myself that it’s not true and live happy. I tried to fight the issue for a long time but it makes no difference except to me, sacrificing my well being for nothing. But if I keep being reminded every time I go to do groceries trough the park “invasion of foreign country divine pride park”, it will be impossible. I already try to avoid news and ABC, so it should be possible.

I’m sending a picture of some of the places I’ve been to, without much luck. Funny enough, the town I liked the most, Roma, is the worst, with military trees every 10 meters.

Anyway, that’s it. Maybe I’ll get downvoted to oblivion, but let’s try…

By the way, I don’t know if I am posting this correctly, on the right place and everything. It’s my first lemmy post as well. It's very confusing to know the community to post. It shows everything everwhere!

Edit- I posted this before, thought it was in the wrong place, deleted and posted again. Now I see 2 of the posts and the deleted one has 2 upvotes. This is so confusing...

Edit2 - Before I get any comment, I dislike military worship from any country, not just Australia. Military may or not be necessary in modern societies, but worship and praise should never be acceptable and is specially dangerous when applied to a group with power. Citizens should always be skeptical of their military group, its uses, powers and permissions. It should be like owning a gun. You may be allowed to have one but should be constantly proving you are not doing anything wrong with it. The definition of what is "wrong" or "right" should be constantly questioned as well.

Edit3 - just a reminder, that I do not wish to change anyone's point of view. It's your tradition and culture and I respect, but I don't have to like it and I would like to figure out how to avoid it. It is all. I would like to stop Australian involvment in American wars, but besides that I don't mind if Australians like military or not, but I would like to avoid being exposed to that, assuming that is possible, which is the reason for the post, so I can find out.

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