Also if committing massacres made the PLO a terror group

No, it's when you commit terrorist acts that you become a terrorist group. Like the PLO did, repeatedly, over many many years, and bragged about.

Terrorists are by definition non-state actors.

And yes I've seen the Pallywood stuff coming out of Gaza just like everyone else has. It's the same bullshit they pull every time they cross a line and find their shit getting pushed in by Israel like in Lebanon in 1982.

receives billions in funding and weapons from the US and UK

In 2023 total UK arms exports to Israel totalled £18.2 million. We do not provide them with foreign financial assistance.

So you were only off by a little bit.

In 2023 Israel received approx. £3.3 bn in foreign assistance from the USA, the large majority loaned to purchase US supplies of both defensive and offensive munitions. That same year, Egypt also received about £1.5 bn in foreign assistance from the USA, Jordan £1.7 bn, etc.

As I said it is a form of political repression.

Yes, that's why it's good

The PLO was a terror group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre

Two examples off the top of my head of a terrorist group engaging in terrorist violence.

I don't have a problem with any element of that law.

I'm profoundly comfortable with people being arrested and imprisoned for substantial sentences for expressing support for Hamas and similar Jihadi terror groups.

You realise that cartoon came from a far-right Neo-Nazi forum, right?

And you realise what that does to this conversation?

Except these lot don't care about the housing crisis, they're literally looking for an excuse to smash things up

I don't think that's true in many cases. You can literally just go on YouTube and look at the Sky News, Channel 4 and ITV reportage where they interview people at these protests/riots and many of them explicitly say that the reason they're there is because of the crisis in housing, the NHS, etc. and which they pin on the scale of immigration.

I'm not agreeing with them, but when you say they're just looking for an excuse to smash things up, I think you're sort of sidelining what they themselves are often saying. Obviously the vast majority are also expressing deplorable racist prejudices too, but again, we should at least take them at their word that that's why they're on the streets.

Sure we need societal change too but that alone won't fix the issue unless these problem causes are dealt with at the root.

I don't think you can solve this at the root without a) solving the very real problem that we might very well have net immigration of 1 million this year which is fucking insane; b) meaningfully invest in local councils, public services like SureStart (or some new version of it), free English language services, and finding ways to sort of push together communities with new arrivals so that they just have to get to know each other and get along, while the new arrivals revise their opinions and values in line with the new expectations. Even that would really just be a starting point but I've had a couple of pint safter work so I don't want to overstretch myself with 'grand plans.'

And since dealing with them is much quicker than dealing with large social issues that should be the priority in the next few months.

Agreed. Smash the rioters, lock them up, then I think/hope our new government will be able to take a proper look at this issue that's been bubbling up for so many years. This violence isn't isolated, it's not about social media or Tommy Ten-Names or whoever, and it won't go away even if we lock up all the rioters. We have problems in this country which require serious, thoughtful, nuanced responess in national policy.

But, again: I want the police to fucking smash these people, slam them up in a prison cell and make them regret their vile, racist, brutal attacks on innocent people.

Reddit kept the bootlickers and the lazy, Lemmy gained the anti-greed political left

sigh...

The tension is largely inflated. It exists mostly because people like Tommy Robson and Nigel Farage claim that it does.

I don't agree. They inflate tensions that pre-exist them, and I think if we keep pretending these issues don't exist, then this is only going to get worse.

Immigration is not the cause of the housing crisis, but it's also not possible to address the housing crisis without also reducing immigration because it's not possible to build housing for 700,000+ people each year. Yearly net migration of almost 1 million is not sustainable, so the number will need to come down substantially.

Oh, that's interesting. Another user has said in reply to my comment they have the option too. I'm using Brave Browser but I don't have Stylish or anything installed

Haviv Rettig Gur put it very accurately and concisely, if brutally, in a lecture he gave recently:

For Jews In the 21st century, you either learned English or Hebrew or you were killed.

As a Brit myself (English, Catholic, English as far back as Ancestry can tell etc.) I'm really ashamed of this country since October 7th. It's as if we felt that we had been impervious to the very deep, ancient cancer of antisemitism due to WW2. And that seems to have left us even more defenceless than many other European states which have at least tried at points to contain this.

Per the article, they didn't investigate all 350, the UN only investigated 19. Not really interested in that argument, though.

What do you mean when you say 'Zionist' about me? Specifically, what do you mean by that word?

Let him cook