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[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

so why even bother with memorizing if I can calculate it fast enough

The standard is to be able to answer a times table question in 2 seconds, so if it's taking longer than 2 seconds to calculate it then it's not fast enough.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

7 x 8? It’s 7 x 10 - 2 x7. 12 x 11? It’s 12 x 10 + 12

Welcome to getting less questions done in a Maths test, and thus less marks, cos it's taking you longer than the rest of the class to do the number-crunching parts

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 7 months ago

I do in fact have a calculator (phone) in my pockets at all time to do menial math for me

Except it gives wrong answers for order of operations expressions, because it was written by a programmer who didn't make sure he was doing the Maths correctly.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Kind of like saying that ChatGPT is people adding an AI player to the deterministic program of a chat

Except ChatGPT was written from scratch, so not at all like that

Tic-tac-toe is a classical example problem for neural networks 101, kind of a “hello world”

Doesn't change that that isn't how it was implemented to begin with. In your search results there are even people on Reddit asking how to add an AI player to their existing game. Seems like you gave me search results without even looking at them.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It still is

A deterministic program, yes

Plenty of examples out there

You found plenty of examples of people adding an AI player to the game. The game itself is still a deterministic program.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Wrong maths, you say?

Yes. If I want to know what 1+2 equals, and I throw a dice, there's a chance I will get the correct answer. If I do, that doesn't mean it knows how to do Maths. Also, notice where it said "Here's the calculation", it didn't actually show you the calculation? e.g. long multiplication, or even grouping, or the way the Chinese do it. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Even if AI manages to randomly get a correct answer here and there, it still doesn't know how to do Maths (which includes not knowing how to count to begin with)

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

a tic-tac-toe machine was “AI”.

No it wasn't. It was (and is) a deterministic program. AI isn't.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

unless indicated otherwise by brackets, which is the correct way to indicate this

No it isn't. The order of operations rules are at least 200 years older than the use of Brackets in Maths. Not sure how you think Maths was done before we started using Brackets.

put brackets around it or bugger off.

Bugger off with your disinformation. There are no Maths textbooks which use Brackets for such a basic expression. Students are expected to know the order of operations rules

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago

The rules for order-of-operations are, so far as I know, arbitrary

No, they're not.

Knowing that you’re supposed to do division first isn’t obvious.

It is if you've been to school or read a Maths textbook

correct, per the standard rules

The only rules

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago

MS is insisting on AI pcs, and saying that mousing and keyboarding will be substituted to chatting to the PC

...says company who killed off the last feature they had where you could actually do that, Cortana.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I'm still catching up on links - a couple of weeks behind after real life stuff got in the way

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that all that is needed to teach something is to know it, thus ignoring what teachers are taught to do when they get their teaching qualifications.

or a calculator to help you

It would need to be a calculator which gives correct answers, which therefore leaves out some Texas Instruments calcs and almost all e-calcs (welcome to what happens when programmers don't check their Maths first when writing a calculator). The Windows calc in Standard mode says 2+3x4=20. Turns out teachers need to know how to do Maths without a calculator.

If you became any other kind of teacher (English, history, science, etc.) you would need to build up a starter pack of knowledge on the subject

And learn how to teach, just like Maths teachers also have to do (well, not in the U.S., but that's another story).

you can have any skill level that allows you to pass the instructions on how to perform equations to the students

No, you have to have a skill level of being able to teach it to all types of students. If you have to teach students that 1+1=2, and you don't know why 1+1=2, and a student asks you why 1+1=2, what are you going to do then? If teaching was nothing more than passing on facts then we could just give every kid books on the subject and do away with school.

since there are things that we take for granted only advanced math classes will teach you

You got that the wrong way around. What's taken for granted by advanced Maths classes is what you are taught only in lower Maths classes. Welcome to a whole bunch of Professors don't know the correct answer to order of operations problems because they don't teach it and have forgotten the rules 😂

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