[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 8 months ago

Never in a million years would Switzerland condemn Israel. The state loves Israel. Maybe a strongly worder "please don't kill children in hospitals" was said, but no measures whatsoever were taken

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 8 months ago

Ideally you would let picky users override every setting and provide fair enough defaults. That includes library donation cascading etc. At the end of the day it seems the core part of the project should be providing fair enough defaults

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 5 points 8 months ago

You are indeed a good motivator! The reason I did not want to make this post at first is that I need everything: people to brainstorm with, people that can carry the project, people with the skills to create a prototype, people who can convince FOSS projects to get on board, and people willing to encourage others to donate.

Overall too much labor, skills and connection for one person. I believe we would need a team of 10-15 volunteers, some already involved in projects, to put something up

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 13 points 8 months ago

I did, and I was intentionally hopeful when I wrote that. I stand by the latter part of the argument though. I've seen enough situations where splitting money was not a problem as long as a common interest was there and the decision process was flear and fair

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 8 months ago

The effort behind that list is great and it does help people out. But I don't think many people will look at it and decide to donate. This is part of what is to be solved here

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 8 months ago

Oh yes there will be drama. But I would gladly help sort it out if there was enough interest and I think I wouldn't be alone in that endeavour.

It's always better to distribute poorly than not distribute at all

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 8 months ago

Stupidly simple doesn't seem to be able to fix the problem here. We need to find the simplest way that can help. How would you make it simpler?

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 8 months ago

FSF stepping up would be awesome and I've thought about it. Sadly it doesn't seem to be in their priorities

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We all love FOSS. Lately, many of us have expressed their disarray at hearing stories of maintainers quitting due to a variety of factors. One of these is financial.

While donating to your favorite app developer is something many of you already do, the process can be tedious. We're running all sorts of software on our machines, and keeping an exhaustive list to divide donations to projects is somehow more effort than tinkering with arch btw™.

Furthermore, this tends to ignore library projects. Library maintainers have been all over FOSS-centered media rightly pointing out that their work is largely unnoticed and, you guessed it, undervalued.

What can we do about it? Under a recent Lemmy post, some have expressed support for the following idea:

Create a union of open source maintainers to collect donations and fairly redistribute them to members.

How would this work?

Client-side:

  1. You take some time to list the software you use and want to donate to
  2. You donate whatever amount you want for the whole

Server-side:

  1. Devs register their projects to the union while listing their dependencies
  2. A repartition table is defined by the relevant stakeholders. Models discussed below.
  3. When a user donates, the money is split according to the repartition table

How do we split the money? It could be:

  • Money is split by project. A portion of donations go to maintainers of libraries used by the project.
  • Money is split according to need. Some developers don't need donations because they are on company payroll. Some projects are already well-funded. Some devs are struggling while maintaining widely used libraries (looking at you core-js). Devs log their working time and get paid per hour in proportion of all donations.
  • Any other scheme, as long as it is democratically decided by registered maintainers.

Think of it like a worldwide FOSS worker co-op. You "buy" software from the co-op and it decided what to do with the money.

We "only" need to get maintainers to know about the initiative, get on board and find a way to split the money fairly. I'm sure it will be easy to agree on a split, since any split of existing money will be more satisfactory than splitting non-existent money.

What are your thoughts on this? Would you as a maintainer register? Would you donate as a user? Would you join a collective effort to build this project? Let's discuss this proposition together and find a way to solve that problem so that FOSS can keep thriving!

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 8 months ago

For all I care the FSF could handle this actually

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 8 months ago

It's not as simple as having an idea. Everyone can have great ideas, the problem is getting everyone on board and figuring everything else out. I'm not a FOSS dev so I don't have a foot in the community to pitch that. Don't mean to shut you down but it is probably more complicated than I made it out to be, otherwise it would probably exist in some shape

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 13 points 8 months ago

Does anyone have the picture? I have grown weary of claims of antisemitism these days since they are so often raised for antizionist criticism

[-] GroundPlane@iusearchlinux.fyi 13 points 8 months ago

The problem is always how you divide, particularly for libraries. It is hard to rightly estimate. For better or for worse, we should have a union of open source developers and they should divide it up. Just pay the union and they will share that democratically amongst themselves, deciding their own criterias, sorting out edge cases, having a way to process disagreements, etc

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