Or in ten years in its 20th rerelease. Thing is, and that's my problem with Bethesda in general for many years, that from what I've seen it's yet one more of the "release it, idiots will buy it because of our name and modders will do our job for free and make it into a proper release."

Then again, I haven't played it myself and most likely won't, that's just from reviews I saw (even positive fanboy stuff) and a couple of let's plays. It looks a lot less buggy than Skyrim or FO4 on release, but equally as unfinished from what I've seen. And not from technical inability or rushed release, but on purpose.

I hope I'm wrong and that I will eventually buy it and enjoy it, but Bethesda does the same shit over and over since Skyrim and it went from 'cute' to 'insulting' by now after all these years.

You know what an example is? Regardless of whether I agree with him or not, those were examples. They good list a whole bunch of other foods or shampoos or drinks or whatever the hell you can imagine. The poster was trying to make a point. Fixating on the examples and giving personal examples of people you specifically don't do the two things the poster mentioned doesn't make the argument lose its merit.

My personal opinion on the subject is very different than the poster's, which can be summarized to that I don't oppose art because I don't like the artist, I won't stop reading Lovecraft or listening to Vivaldi because they were trash people, because their art is great. So I don't in fact agree with what the poster said, but clinging to personal examples to refute an argument while ignoring the global average which is what the argument was using is disingenuous.

With the same logic, since the people you know don't eat meat, that'd mean there's no problem with the meat eating in the world, which I'm sure you'd rush to point out the absurdity of logic there.

Resorting to personal attacks. Typical. Way to come up on top in an argument. Attack the person, not the argument.

And I don't. Give me philosophy over economics any time. That doesn't mean I don't see his value. And how comes you're still confused after giving me the quote already?

That only tells me that you're scouring Wikipedia and the Internet for surface reading to be feeding your imaginary conflict.

Marx supported free trade. That's true. Why? Because it would hasten the economic imbalance between the classes and help create a revolution. No, he was not Ben Shapiro of the 19th century. He thought that things must get worse before they get better and that free trade would make them worse.

You also mention how he was heavily influenced by Adam Smith. He critiqued him heavily in both Das Capital and the Theories of Surplus Value.

That's like saying Engels was a fan of Duhring because he wrote a doorstopper called Anti-Duhring. That's plain wrong and trying to murk the waters.

As for the central planning it was first established as a method from planned economy in social states by the Soviet Union, that's true. But its theoretical basis stems from Marx's work and words. “To my mind, the so-called ‘socialist society’ is not anything immutable… It’s crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production.” that sounds familiar? Written in Marx's letters in 1890.

But no, I was not referring to central planning, but the abolishment of capitalist goals as surplus value, profit driven economy etc, that are most definitely based on his works. Yes, he was not the first to propose that "Oy, killing miners for scraps is bad and you're bad for doing it." but nobody before (to my knowledge) had done such an extensive work on the downfalls of capitalist economy and how something else could even be planned or work.

I'm getting tired of you using catchy article headlines and wiki skims to prove me wrong because you don't like Marx. In fact, I don't care if you do or not, or what type of communism you prefer. But stop spreading lies for the people that are not familiar with the subject.

In fact, I don't even care much about Marx. Of the big ones to speak on socialism/communism, I much prefer Engel's more philosophical approach than Marx's economic analysis. I find the analysis boring.

Wish it was that simple. Left is fighting over it for decades, if not centuries. Even killing each other, instead of focusing that energy against the right. And yes, it's as stupid as it sounds.