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Linux Mint 22 Will Include Preinstalled App for Matrix (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)
submitted 6 months ago by lemmyreader@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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tl;dr :

  • Hexchat IRC client app development stopped
  • Linux Mint team was building IRC client to replace Hexchat
  • The team tried Matrix and liked it
  • Linux Mint’s communication channels are moving from IRC to Matrix
  • The desktop app will be named Matrix to avoid confusion
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[-] ardorhb@discuss.tchncs.de 74 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I‘m not sure if I like this. I use Matrix for a couple of years now and to be honest the more I use it the more I hate it.

Everything just feels slow, clunky and some basic things are quite complicated to archive and some functionality just does not work.
All that was okay for me in the beginning but it never got better.

IRC and XMPP also had their problems but I often wish them back nowadays.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 months ago

I think Matrix is the future, it just needs better designers and implementation.

They really, really shouldn't do things differently than discord just to be different.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 24 points 6 months ago

Looks like you’re saying federation is the future, but Matrix is a bad federation implementation. And that sounds good.

I still think forums are the best way to handle support. Even phpBB is better than any chat. Have a bot alert a chat channel that the project team hangs out for every new topic or something, if that’s a concern.

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

I still think forums are the best way to handle support. Even phpBB is better than any chat. Have a bot alert a chat channel that the project team hangs out for every new topic or something, if that’s a concern.

Giving the users the choice to have IRC and a forum sounds nice to me. Forums for the longer conversations and be able to look up things with a search engine, and IRC for quick questions and informal chat.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

the issue isn’t so much with IRC, XMPP, Matrix, or Discord per se (aside from Discord having its own issues) – it’s that every dev/org/group is trying to use a chatroom as a replacement for support channels, wikis, knowledgebases, FAQs, forums, announcements, mailing lists, etc.

[as the meme states: “I don’t want to join your fucking Discord server just to get basic information that should be on a proper website instead of hidden away in the archives of a fucking chatroom”]

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Discord is the Gold Standard for you ? Why ?

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago

It's the easiest to use.

[-] kurcatovium@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

While this is true IMO, it's needed to say that the redesigned Discord mobile app is complete shitshow.

[-] Woovie@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

It didn't take over most of its competition's userbase magically, they have a well designed system despite its flaws.

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[-] baru@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

Everything just feels slow, clunky and some basic things are quite complecated to archive

It's been that way for much longer than a few years unfortunately. I don't understand how people can tolerate it. Some projects switched to it because it seemed more beginner friendly than IRC, but to me it's not focussed on making things easy.

[-] coolmojo@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

My problem with matrix is that you need email address to use it. Compared to the irc, where you could just use whatever name and ask questions straight away. Most distros I used came with an irc client preinstalled and preconfigured to connect to the support channel when launched. In my opinion that is more beginner friendly.

[-] alyth@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

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[-] mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

You son of a ... 😫

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[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 9 points 6 months ago

We dont really use/experience matrix. Same as we dont really use/experience debian, fedora, etc.

We are experiencing the clients (same as we experience the DE in the second example).

It does not make sense to hate on the protocol for clunky clients, same as it does not make sense to change distros because gnome isnt your thing, except if your OS doesnt handle anything else.

I had this discussion a billion times already. Element is not matrix and every other client is produced by actual people with very little money.

Be the change you want to see and make a client or donate to someone who makes the most promising ones instead of moaning about the good ol days please. Have a good one.

[-] Safipok@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

The pathway I see is unfortunately IRC/XMPP→Matrix→Discord

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"Forks of the project are welcomed. Nobody can stop the code from living on."

That's a tear jerking quote right there. o7

[-] barbara@lemmy.ml 30 points 6 months ago

web-based Element Matrix client

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago

And I was hoping there was an alternative to fractal as a nativ app..

[-] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago

KDE's NeoChat is written in Qt if I'm not mistaken

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[-] barbara@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

And I was hoping they fork fractal such that they can both profit from each other

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[-] can@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 months ago

I was trying to think of what the impactful differences between IRC and Matrix are (it's been a while).

“While being as open as IRC, Matrix provides a user experience which is similar to Slack or Discord to some extent. It’s modern, it’s persistent, and […] it’s actually less confusing to newcomers than an extremely simple application like Jargonaut.”

Persistancy! It's funny how that completely slipped my mind. The expectation from a chat room app has changed a lot since I last regularly used IRC and I guess I forgot what it used to be like.

[-] nfsu2@feddit.cl 21 points 6 months ago

Green Ubuntu go brrrrr

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 months ago

Green Ubuntu is Best Ubuntu

[-] Unyieldingly@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

it really is and i been liking green Debian as well.

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[-] Kristof12@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

Cool that they are using now matrix

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago

Hmm I hope it will be at least somewhat stable. I never had good experience with Matrix for more than like an hour

[-] panned_cakes@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Maybe it will attract more development ? 🫣

[-] sgibson5150@slrpnk.net 12 points 6 months ago

I can't remember exactly when I stopped installing mIRC when I built a new PC, but it's been a while. Is DALnet still around?

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

DALnet appears to be alive and kicking. Since you're maybe out of the loop, big drama happened with Freenode. Right now Libera Chat and OFTC appear to be the big names for IRC for open source software users.

DALnet is an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network made up of 39 servers, with a stable population of approximately 10,000 users in about 4,000 channels. DALnet is accessible by connecting with an IRC client to an active DALnet server on ports 6660 through 6669, and 7000. SSL users can connect on port 6697 as well. The generic round-robin address is irc.dal.net.

[-] sgibson5150@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago

Ah, far out. Thank you for the info. Maybe I'll load up an IRC client and check them out!

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Why have preinstalled apps though? Hear me out... i am very new to Linux and enjoying it quite much.

But most of the preinstalled programs that came with mint, i have not touched and never will.

[-] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 6 months ago

Why have preinstalled apps though?

To make it easier for people.

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[-] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 months ago

Some will use the built in note editor, some the built in music player, some the built in video player, and now some will use matrix

Mint isn't overly bloated, or even "bloated", these apps are useful for a decent part of the demographic, and having them preinstalled lowers the friction a new user feels when installing a new OS

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 months ago

Because when interacting with other people to do something together it is more convenient not having to encourage them to install something. Like preinstalled Magic Wormhole for file sharing or something for remote desktop. FTP client is a must. Chat is nice to have.

I use Arch btw.

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[-] sexy_peach@beehaw.org 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I wish they went with XMPP. Still cool though.

[-] hakase@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

Do we know when Mint 22 is coming yet other than just "summer '24"?

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

Would you rather they announce "when it's ready" instead?

[-] hakase@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

It wasn't a criticism - I was just curious if anyone had any more info.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

Nobody got solid info (probably not the devs themselves), but some facts:

  • they're based on Ubuntu LTS
  • they put heavy modifications on top of it
  • from their track record, the major releases have been on June & July
[-] hakase@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Thanks!

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

I recently switched my main Linux laptop to Fedora and I have to say, it's probably the most stable and clean distro I've ever used.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

Fedora is not stable but very well tested it seems.

And GNOME (the default, I guess?) Is also just really well tested

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