I wish that proton would focus on the depth of their present stack, as opposed to breadth.
I've been begging for rclone support for proton drive for a long time now.. without it, I basically have 1tb sitting there useless.
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Same thoughts here. ProtonVPN under Linux is very poorly supported.
Wish I could up vote that 100 times!
It's horrible. I've had to hack together a shell script to switch between countries using a bunch of openvpn config files. The official app broke my Linux Mint network setup.
Just out of curiosity. How is it poorly supported?
I haven't used it much yet, but the times i have it seems to have worked fine.
IIRC it's missing a number of features that ProtonVPN Windows has. I last checked into it a year or so ago and the attitude was that it was a very shoddy application missing most features. I found this github issue expressing this sentiment but I don't see much in terms of specifics.
I don't have a paid ProtonVPN but I just downloaded the VPN on a free account and it only has 3 options on it:
- Secure Core on/off (only select servers in privacy-friendly countries)
- Netshield (DNS adblocking etc)
- Killswitch
I use Mullvad so I opened that up alongside and will list out the features it has on its Linux client in comparison:
- DNS adblocking
- Killswitch
- Wireguard
- Auto-launch on pc start
- Split tunnel support
- Local network split tunnel allowance
- Disable ipv6
- Custom DNS server
- Protocol obfuscation (UDP-over-TCP)
- Multihop servers
- Quantum-resistant tunnel (for Wireguard initialization)
The main ones for me are split tunneling and Wireguard. Using a VPN that doesn't support these is a non-starter for me, unfortunately. If any of this is different when you have a paid ProtonVPN account let me know - I don't have very much experience with it.
TBH, if protonVPN under linux was any good I would probably have Proton Unlimited. I can't justify paying for Mullvad and Proton Unlimited, so I DIY my own collection of services to match functionality for about the same price.
I just had a look and as far as i can tell ProtonVPN suppports everything Mullvad does. On windows...
On linux you get fuckall settings. No split tunneling, no dns, no wireguard, no nothing. There seems to be no parity between linux and windows. That is less than poorly supported, it's atrocious tbh.
On windows you even get a fancy map with triangles that shows server locations that can be used to quick connect.
And this is with an unlimited account so i don't believe it's an account level limit.
Edit: I just looked and to be fair they do state in the plan features that Split tunneling is only available on Android and Windows
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Yeah its sucks. It is also based on Python and not stable as much as Mullvad.
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Missing lots of features. Proton does not prioritize Linux at all
I tried it and its pretty cool and polished, but Bitwarden is WAY better in every poseible way.
I'm pretty sure the app is great, but I am not a fan of putting all my eggs in the same basket. I will keep using Bitwarden for the time being.
Same here. I'm fine using Proton for my mail & drive, but I also like keeping my passwords separate in bitwarden, and my 2fa separate in my raivo. A healthy separation is good.
I’m a faithful Bitwarden user. No need to switch
I was in the beta of it, didn't use it though as i am on 1password.
For me it's important that i have a desktop application. I don't want to open my fcking webbrowser anytime i need a password or want to edit some credentials.
And they simply don't have one. I gave it as feedback and they say it's on their roadmap. I said they should take 1passwords desktop as inspiration as it works so fcking good; I really love that floating quick search that you can summon with a keycombo.
Tempting. I've been using Bitwarden for awhile now and it's been fantastic. I am not sure I need to switch.
continues to use Bitwarden also.
You can save a bit of money considering this is currently $1/mo or "free" with some package plans, but rest assured it is not as good as BitWarden or 1P and likely never will be. It's very MVP and Proton has a habit of promising products and features that don't see the light of day for years on end.
Proton's value to me is the "suite" of products they've developed at a very reasonable price so I don't have to manage and pay 5 different accounts.
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Has anyone tried it yet? Two downsides for me:
- there's no desktop app
- there's no Safari desktop extension (I know most people don't care about this)
It's also more expensive than Bitwarden even at €1/mth
Proton is starting to loose focus in my opinion. I've been a costumer for 5 years only using email and I moved this year to fastmail and I couldn't be happier. Unlimited emails alias, good apps, ability to use thunderbird without a self hosted bridge.
The promise of a encrypted email does not work if your contacts are not on proton too (for me was 100% of my contacts).
If you are really focused on privacy you would choose nextcloud for cloud for example and keypass or Bitwarden for password managers.
I would like them to focus on email client features and stop this side hustles.
Proton's whole reason to exist is to provide privacy, not email client features.
I hear what you're saying but Nextcloud is definitely not a viable option for reliable backups. Wayyyy too buggy to trust
Certainly way too buggy if you're selfhosting. At least that was my experience. And if you're not, the privacy component really goes away.
I’m all for open source alternatives to bitwarden but this is non competitive with a mandatory subscription fee. Bitwarden is completely free for most users.
I thought the same thing but it actually does have a limited free plan. Seems like, similar to BW, it restricts 2FA behind the pass, but also with the pass you get unlimited hide-my-email aliases, multiple vaults to organize in (I don't know what this means), and eventually autofill credit cards.
This is quite a bit more expensive than BW's paid plan though. Not sure what all differences it has to BW otherwise.
Awesome! How does it compare to BitWarden?
It doesn't have feature parity (yet?). If you're happy with Bitwarden, I'd stick with it.
If they're going to try to compete with Bitwarden they could at least offer 2FA for free instead of paywalling it as a feature. It was disappointing when Bitwarden did it, and it's even more disappointing with Proton - it's like failing an open book test.
You shouldn't be using that feature anyway. Keeping your passwords and 2FA in the same place means you only have 1FA.
It's mainly a difference in threat model. 2FA within a password manager is still 2FA for concerns of a website login being hacked by remote adversaries, which is the most important problem to solve.
If you use 2FA within your password manager, you should still lock that outer-most password vault with 2FA from a separate device (like you said), which solves your password vault being hacked by remote adversaries. Optionally, you can then use aggressive idle-locking of your vault on your personal devices, in case they're stolen physically.
Goodbye LastPass (I'm aware I should have migrated already but I was holding out for this)
Oh my god you're still on Lastpass? RUN!
The most important step a man can take. It's not the first one, is it? It's the next one. Always the next step.
2FA is a paid feature!
What does 2FA authenticator mean? Is it a vault to store your 2FA seeds?
yeah, although using a password manager as a 2FA provider sort of negates the "2F" part.
Depends. I use 1Password and let it store all my 2FA, because my 1Password login is secured with another 2FA.
Been using Bitwarden for a few years now, but this one looks tempting. I suppose it has better UI and integrated 2FA sounds nice. Also I’m already a Proton Mail subscriber, so it could be nice addition to the ecosystem.
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Great that it has an email alias feature built in. But I use 1Password and to me it's been so great that it'd be really hard to convince me switching to something else.
For the record, Bitwarden also has email aliasing built-in when generating a username:
Yeah, but with Proton, the email service is built-in, while BitWarden relies on an external service (say a domain you use for catch-all).
Bitwarden supports AnonAddy, DuckDuckGo, Fastmail, Firefox Relay, and SimpleLogin. I use it with my paid SimpleLogin account using the SimpleLogin default email domain (configurable in your settings - can be a SL-owned domain or your own).
I'm guessing ProtonPass just uses SimpleLogin on the backend since SimpleLogin is owned by Proton. I don't think there's really much difference unless you count 1-party being an advantage instead of 2-party.
Edit: O there is a difference in cost - not sure if this is what you meant. Bitwarden+SL will cost more (assuming introductory $1/month pricing on ProtonPass)
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