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German government approves controlled legalization of cannabis use (www.marca.com)

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[-] hardypart@feddit.de 89 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes, the "Kabinett" (The chancellor and the ministers) approved the plans, but it needs to be approved by other governmental institualtions as well before it becomes reality.

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 33 points 10 months ago

Though it's coming. The question will be of it stays. Current government is in dire straits in the polls. This might only live one or two years until the next government culls it, given that the conservatives are rising again.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The problem is not the conservatives tbh, more the actual nazis. Couldn't worry much about the CDU and their religious nutjob sub-faction the CSU right now, they're a known problem that is largely inept due to their own inability to effect change since not doing so is essentially their primary advertisement for themselves.

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago

The issue with the CDU/CSU is that they already made steps towards the AFD after the party passed 20%. Remember, the conservatives in the Weimar Republic supported the Nazis, not because they liked them, but because they thought they could puppeteer them, get rid of the communists and socialists and then zhrowing them away and come out on top.

I am afraid that the current conservatives have similair thoughts when it comes to the AFD.

[-] Rendh@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago

Of course they do. Conservatives aren't center as they claim. They are right wing. So their natural friends are other enemies of freedom and democracy.

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[-] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

I wanted to say that the CDU/CSU has the charisma of a rotten potato and that I doubt they'll rake in many votes, but then I remembered who our current chancellor is.

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

A good chunk of people only look at their bottomline. And for some it's "we have less money right now than under the conservative government". Doesn't matter about Covid, doesn't matter about the war in Ukraine, doesn't matter about the world wide economy. It's just "we are worse off" and then it just takes the opposition to promise "we will make that you are better off" to move votes.

I don't really see what can happen that makes such a big impact that the government recoup their poll losses.

Cannabis is the only issue where the three parties are kinda on the same foot, otherwise we have a lot of conflicts, especially between Greens and FDP, which damages both parties. And the SPD is ... kinda there, a charismatic blackhole like usually.

[-] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

FDP is doing FDP things as usual. Trying to funnel more money into their audiences pockets. Greens matured a lot in the last decades. I'm not sure if enough, but they changed a lot. The SPD ... as bad as it sounds, but the last really charismatic leader was Gas Gerhard. And he was/is a cunt. I don't want to talk about ~~Bruno~~ the Union. With Mutti they lost a whole lot more than just a leader.

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[+] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

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[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

This is very important though. It's forbidden on EU level. If Germany manages to change this or barrel through, this could open up legalization in the whole EU. Some countries are just not doing it, because it's forbidden on EU level and it's hard to get through that.

So I believe, aside from Germans, a lot of European watching closely how this develops and even small steps are already good. We just need to see this through.

[-] randomperson@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Germans will force it to be legal on EU level only after they will dominate the production of cannabis. That's how it works.

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[-] theUnlikely@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago

So this is to be true legalization and not just decriminalization? Also, hasn't Luxembourg completely legalized it?

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

True legalization with an asterisk.

We have a two-step plan.

The first step is possible without changing EU laws, it's basically something like the Spanish social clubs, but a bit better. People can join clubs that are legally allowed to grow weed and are monitored for quantity and quality. They pay in and then get a certain amount each month. Also we can grow ourselves with a certain amount of plants.

There is a number of random restrictions to appease the conservatives, like no smoking in public in front of a school and to certain times.

The second step will see Germany go head-to-head with the EU, which will be the actually sale in shops and/or pharmacies. For that purpose there will be pilot cities that will start this in controlled measure while the government is ringing with the EU.

In both steps, there is legalization, although with a bunch of random restrictions. Albeit, most people take it over no change at all. And in the end, the restrictions are mostly public, so what you do in your flat or house is your thing and the police can't get you for smoking and growing there.

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