Hamas Used Gaza Hospital as a Command Center, U.S. Intelligence Says (www.nytimes.com)

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[-] deft@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago

Lol what does this matter?

Israel committed so much more heinous atrocities I honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.

Israel lied about the sexual assault and baby mutilations, they are ar performing genocide and they've oppressed these people for generations.

Fuck Israel

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.

You're rooting for terrorists operating from hospitals.

I am in shock that you think this is defensible.

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[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

It matters because one of the charges leveled against Israel is that they bombed a hospital just to genocide Palestinian babies. Clearly, Hamas was using said babies as human shields, which is a war crime. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Hamas apologists don't like it, so now you just say it doesn't matter, lol.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 1 points 10 months ago

Nope the shoe literally cannot be on the other foot.

Israel funded Hamas.

Israel has developed this culture in Gaza because of the treatment of Palestinians.

Israel has far more money and resources.

So the instigator with more money/power in the situation causing a genocide after decades of racial abuse gets no pass that shoe cannot go anywhere else

All of Hamas' actions are only happening because of Israel. Sorry

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

It's probably true that Netanyahu funded Hamas for cynical reasons. The Israeli right-wing coalition definitely needs to go. But you can't justify Hamas terrorism againsr civilians because the Palestinian people are angry and oppressed. Hamas has agency. They aren't some inexorable force of history. They choose to be terrorists. Hamas was already a radical terrorist organization in its own right, and was duly elected by the people of Gaza as such. Fuck those raping terrorists.

All this back-and-forth revenge is, of course, just a vicious cycle and shouldn't continue. But I am a little tired of this faulty reasoning that Israel is the bad guy just because they are more powerful. Palestinians and Israelis have both done things to provoke violence and both sides have, at various times, rejected peace and compromise. But Hamas is unambiguously a terrorist group that stokes division and whose sole purpose is to eliminate Israel. Hamas is a barrier to peace and will get no sympathy from me.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 0 points 10 months ago

Israel is the bad guy because they are more powerful.

You refer to Hamas as rapists but not the IDF? You don't mention the bold land grabs and settling of Palestinian land.

Israel is a terrorist group. They aren't treated as such because they are a Nation, they're only a nation because that isn't their land other people lived there first.

You literally touch on every reason why Israel is the first to blame yet refuse to commit to blaming them. When Israel faces consequences then we can talk about Hamas until then it is their fault.

This is not a zero tolerance bullshit school fight. Israel punched first and second and third and forth while having more money and resources and legal power over Palestinians. Hamas wouldn't exist in this way without Israel.

No. Absolutely no to everything you said. When Bibi swings from the gallows we can tear apart Hamas all we want. Until then you play into the bully's hand.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

they're only a nation because that isn't their land other people lived there first.

That is true of every nation. Literally everyone lives on land that was occupied by some other tribe in the past. The really ironic thing about saying that the Palestinians were there "first" is that the UN used precisely that originalist doctrine to justify creating Israel for the Jews in the first place!

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 1 points 10 months ago

So you understand then why Israel is fully to blame?

Everyone does live on some other tribes land. But Israel, America, Canada are different than British and Chinese history in that way.

This is modern day. Those things are still felt. Hell the Irish still feel how the British treated them.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say. How are Israel, Canada and America different from Britain and China? And how do the Irish fit into it?

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 1 points 10 months ago

Imperialism

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[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works -2 points 10 months ago

Nice ignoring of the point that the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with.

For the inevitable downvoters, regardless of who is to blame it's important that those of us discussing this attempt to understand the point the other is making even if we disagree with it.

From what I see in this conversation there's one person putting their points across reasonably and there's another throwing whatever cards they have randomly at the board.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago

Nice ignoring of the point that ~~the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with~~.

THERE'S A GENOCIDE HAPPENING BOB.

Nothing else fucking matters beyond that. Once that fucking stops we can play these games. Otherwise you're just pearl clutching and arguing semantics

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

It's sad the New York Times has fully turned into a Zionist propaganda outlet the last few days.

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[-] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

US ~~Intelligence~~ Propagandists

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Why they need to justify something we all know is a lie?

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[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So funny seeing people here react to any news regarding Israel and Gaza. Bomb falls in parking lot of a hospital, Hamas says 20 minutes later 500 dead, everyone believes the and it takes weeks to disprove their claim and bunch of sources to analyze and report on their findings. Any non-Hamas source says terrorists are using terrorist tactics... entire lemmy goes: fake, discredited, Israel ally is lying for them, etc.

And down-votes that are coming on this comment just go to prove how big of a supported to terrorism people here are.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

My issue is more with people supporting a genocide because Hamas exists.

Few people have a problem condemning Hamas, but when Israel is clearly killing far more civilians and bombing more hospitals than Israel, obsessing about the lesser problem (who were Israel-funded in any case) is deeply suspicious.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

Again this shit?

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