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DNC votes to back eliminating ICE as Trump expands deportations (www.newsweek.com)
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[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Save you a click: DNC voted to put abolishing ICE on the party platform—it doesn't represent concrete legislative action at this time, just a commitment towards it.

The resolution calls on Democratic members of Congress to enact legislation dissolving ICE and winding down the immigration detention system. It also calls for restricting Department of Homeland Security (DHS) funding unless certain enforcement activities end, including workplace raids, mass roundups, arrests at courthouses, arrests at ICE check-ins, enforcement actions near schools and houses of worship, and other operations, as well as terminating contracts with private detention providers.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Won't this become an actionable promise once they win the midterms?

(Yes I am that optimistic)

[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yes it will. Hope paired with action becomes revolution. Don't stop hoping my friend.

[–] joe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump will still be President after midterms. I could see some symbolic vote on it (which isn't nothing) but temper that optimism regarding ICE actually being abolished before 2029.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I keep confusing Senate/Congress, but don't the Reps currently have absolute majority, which is very likely to be broken after the midterms (not only this midterm, but generally the opposition is much more likely to win)?

[–] joe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

The GOP has a majority in the House and the Senate, as well as the Presidency and an obviously biased Supreme Court.

This midterm its basically assumed that the dems will take the House, and it's plausible they will take the Senate. Unfortunately, it's impossible that Dems gain enough for a veto-proof majority, so not much can actually be done from passing legislation.

I'd add some caveats that there is a political benefit to passing popular legislation and letting a Republican president shoot it down, and it's possible (though unlikely, imo) that Trump gets so incredibly unpopular that members of the GOP cross party lines to give some legislation a veto-proof majority. I consider it unlikely because if they haven't done it yet, it seems unlikely they ever will.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean, Dems don't have a majority in any branch much less the presidency, so...

That said, I'd be curious to know the split for and against. How many Dems still support a fascist paramilitary?

[–] almost_genocide@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

If only someone had asked the DNC to eliminate ICE once Obama stepped into office...

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[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’d be curious to know the split for and against. How many Dems still support a fascist paramilitary?

However many it takes for the vote against it to fail.

[–] almost_genocide@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly. 17 years of "incremental progress" and absolutely fuck all has improved.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Oh no, guys we really tried to pass the 'No More Orphan Crushing Machines!' bill again but just enough Democrats who were just re-elected and not up for a vote for many years voted the other way to keep it happening again. This is awful. We feel so bad. We can't believe it's happened 15 times in a row with different Democrats we still tell you that you should support flipping to vote against it at that lest second every time! If you keep voting us and the other Democrats who just voted against this bill in, we promise to keep trying just as hard as we have been!"

Then when Democratic Socialists who want to actually change things instead of selling out to corporations and AIPAC start gaining popularity the establishment Dems declare war on them while remaining mostly silent on the complete insanity the country is going through.

Not really a tough pattern to see.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Its almost certain that the Dems raking the most from AIPAC support ICE.

Just listen to Hakeem Jefferies being questioned on why he refuses to adopt that position. Constant evading, constant bullshit politician response.

Israel knows its totally cooked if the US retains its democracy and survives MAGA. That's why they've been doing everything from selling zero-click spyware to ICE, to outright using the IDF to train ICE.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Uhh, midterms are only a few months away...

This is exactly what people have been begging for from the DNC. A hardline stance against fascism and a promise to legislate things people actually care about.

And now it's "oh but they don't have the numbers to actually achieve anything"? Why wasn't it that when everyone was saying that they aren't doing enough?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is exactly what people have been begging for from the DNC.

Idk about "begging" so much as "primarying incumbents".

And now it’s “oh but they don’t have the numbers to actually achieve anything”?

In the national legislature they don't.

In state legislatures and municipal governments, they absolutely do. And what's blowing up careers, while producing a wave of Platners and El-Sayeds to replace them has been do-nothing liberals losing the mandate of their constituents.

Andrew Cuomo's done. Gavin Newsom's career is pretty much cooked, unless he runs as a Republican. Tim Walz is leaving office in disgrace over the failure to stand up for his constituents. It's a bloodbath for liberal veterans.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm all for primarying incumbents and replacing centrist dems with progressives and DSA.

The thing I take issue with is that now that things finally seem to be turning around and there's a chance we might get what we want/need, suddenly there's this effort to ignore the fact that our only chance to take back congressional majorities is in a few months and that the balance of the Senate is still very much up in the air.

So instead of saying Dems don't have the numbers, why not say "this is why it's so important to vote in November"?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The thing I take issue with is that now that things finally seem to be turning around

They aren't turning around. They're getting much much worse. The hill Dems have to climb in '26 is so much higher than in '18 or '06 or '92.

The stakes are higher. Which means Dems have more to win in the long run, if they can take control of a failing economy and deliver on reforms they've been promising since the 1940s.

But after Clinton and then Obama and then Biden all pooched historic opportunities, faith in the establishment is at an all time low.

So instead of saying Dems don’t have the numbers, why not say “this is why it’s so important to vote in November”?

Because it's hack, for starters. Which year was voting not important?

And because it ignores what is being voted for.

If you're putting up another class of Blue Dogs and Neocons, the country is fucked no matter who wins. The policies won't change, just the branding.

Talking about who actually makes up the Democrat Party is more important than talking about Voting Blue No Matter Who. Dems could sweep every available seat in November and still flounder next January.

Just look at what happened to Starmer's Labour Party. Historic win. Massive popular mandate. All anyone got was Fascism Lite. They paved the way for Nigel Farrage.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Talking about who actually makes up the Democrat Party is more important than talking about Voting Blue No Matter Who.

My wife has taken to saying "vote blue BECAUSE of who" and I like it.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes but you're not considering this within the context that 1), the democratic base is increasingly turning to progressives and demsocs, who are picking up a lot of slack and gaining political momentum; 2), republicans are slated for punishing defeats across the country if we all just turn up and vote (and overcome any funny business that they attempt); and 3), the entire topic of this post is that the DNC now supports abolishing ICE

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes but you’re not considering this within the context

We're seeing a nascent movement with a Tea Party sized constituency that is struggling against a massive undercurrent of hostile corporate media and institutional support.

We've seen it before - during OWS and BLM and the Bush Era anti-war movement and the 80s environmental movement and the 60s civil rights movement.

Contexts change. That's how we got here to begin with.

the DNC now supports abolishing ICE

A plurality of members currently say they support abolishing ICE while they have no control over national policy.

What do local governors and mayors think? My own Houston-Area Dem Mayor has been working hand-in-glove with Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton to conduct mass arrests and fill up prisons full of migrant people. That's in between the odd ICE shooting.

Our liberal City Council greenlit Flock Cameras. Our local House Reps have been championing genocide at home and abroad with their legislative votes and organizing actions.

The party and the people are not aligned.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

Contexts change. That's how we got here to begin with.

Yes and I'm talking about the current context.

The party and the people are not aligned.

Then primary those establishment members of the party. Right-wing populists successfully subverted the GOP and took control of the party. Do you want to pretend left-wing populists can't do the same to the Dems?

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

blue no matter who

[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think we can do better than that. "Blue no matter who" is how we get Fettermans, Sinemas, Schumers.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a start. Now do Healthcare, Eduction, Living Wage, Housing, Food, Daycare, UBI...

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly I care most about justice first. We need an American Nuremburg or we will not heal properly as a nation.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

100%. We can’t trust this system if there is no justice and without trust we have no real country.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's why America has been dead to me since Trump was re-elected and faced zero repercussions for his many crimes

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

I agree. While I want all those great social programs, I am the first to admit that we'll get none of them, until MAGA has been decisively crushed, and fully purged from our government and our society, and the leaders executed or imprisoned. That will probably mean hundreds of people, but we did it for the Jan 6 Traitors, we can do it for the MAGA traitors.

Besides, justice will be FUN.

[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

with members backing a measure urging lawmakers to abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) while also more strongly approving a separate proposal calling for reforms to the agency.

Approving a proposal to reform ICE demonstrates that the vote to abolish it is merely theater to appease progressives.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

theatre to appease progressives.

Hey! Good news. We're important enough to be appeased now. We're not just getting blamed whenever Dems shit the bed electorally.

[–] PointlessLifePersonified@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Less than three months from an election. Nah, couldn't be...

🙄

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ugh, finally they take the gimme. What the hell were they waiting for, formal execution orders for anyone darker than Pantone-720?

Democrats waiting until the boat has more than six holes in the hull before they vote on patching the leak.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

The Statue of Liberty is an immigrant

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's something. To poo-poo their action would be to enforce the ratchet.