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Why are the IDEs of becoming worse and worse and worse? Right now I have a window which I cannot close because no menu visible. Cursor is always hidden, have to use the mouse. It is so (social.saarland)

submitted 1 week ago by slesa@social.saarland to c/jetbrains@programming.dev

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Why are the IDEs of @jetbrains becoming worse and worse and worse? Right now I have a window which I cannot close because no menu visible. Cursor is always hidden, have to use the mouse. It is so annoying...

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[–] Mikina@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Once JetBrains started to get into AI bullshit, I immediately canceled my subscription.

You get a permanent perpetual license for the version you spend a year paying for, so I have been just using the version before they started sloppifying the entire editor. It runs ok, and does what I need, don't see a reason to upgrade.

I've recently gotten access to a license at work, and oh my god the editor has gotten so much more worse and slower after the two years. It sucks, I liked JetBrains as a company, but at this point I would not recommend it to anyone, unless installing like an ancient version.

But yeah, in the toolbox you can install older versions. Go with like 2023-24 one and you'll have a much better experience.

[–] andioop@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I graduated college and my student license for JetBrains expired. So I switched to VSCodium (free). I'm very glad to hear that I am not missing out because of the price-motivated switch I made. Of course, I don't actually benefit in any way but psychologically from hearing the thing I gave up isn't worth it anymore, sour grapes from an LLM-hater, but…

Also, nice reminder to unsub from the community, I don't use JetBrains anymore and probably should not be occupying the community. Just went and did that, especially given how I would find people commenting "I hate X" in a fan community for X (probably drive-bys from All or Local) annoying. Don't want to be part of the behavior I don't like!

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for this comment, especially the second part - thanks to that I've realized it's something I've been guilty of doing ever since a lot of the things I used to love started getting heavily enshittified, and most of my comments are exactly what you are mentioning, and I never realized that until you said it.

I'll do the same! While I wasn't making the comments malliciously, mostly just sharing my disappointment as a way of giving feedback to the product in question, but I didn't really occur to me that there's really no point that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and there's really no reason to spend time doing that. It's something I never really thought about, but what you're saying makes sense, so thanks for mentioning it.

[–] andioop@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I’ve realized it’s something I’ve been guilty of doing ever since a lot of the things I used to love started getting heavily enshittified

I do try to deal with seeing this kind of comment by also considering how annoying and disappointing it is seeing things you liked get worse. !deshittification@thebrainbin.org (not my community) for a bit more positivity, for "here's stuff you can actually do to change things for the better, instead of just complaining on the internet". I figure it is better to channel that rage productively in a way that helps me leave for better alternatives, instead of in a way that does not make life better in any way besides relieving the emotion. Maybe someone else's if my angry comment is the tipping point for a reader to leave the enshittified product, but…

But yeah. I both feel the outrage, and feel like expressing it without pointing to alternatives is often only giving others more fuel to doomscroll with. (And yes, I also unfortunately sometimes post angrily without adding anything constructive! Just check my comment history…) I thank you for your thoughtful reply and totally get where you are coming from. My comment probably comes across way more castigating towards you than I want it to be—I really appreciate your reaction.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably because they're obsessed with LLMs and heavy usage for coding reduces quality.

[–] calinpristavu@phpc.social 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

@Feyd I think they're fighting to stay relevant, and that means focus on AI. The market share of people that do not want it in the IDE must be minuscule, if the entire team jumped the gun. I agree they used to be the reliable choice, the IDE that just works, and works best. It seems this image is being sidelined in favor of keeping up with what the majority needs from them in order not to switch to Cursor. @slesa

[–] TheConstructor@social.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@calinpristavu @Feyd @slesa I understand why they offer AI tools in their IDEs, but I don't see why they need to heavyly use them themselves. Also from time to time it just feels like there is a mid-sized to big project missing in there testing-efforts

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They had issues before LLMs, so maybe that's not what happened internally

[–] TheConstructor@social.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

@sukhmel could be, it's just the timing, and that it's affecting almost all releases since about the integration of "full line code completion"

[–] slesa@social.saarland 1 points 1 week ago

@calinpristavu @Feyd That is exactly what happened to #Borland. They gave up their roots and lost everything... :/

[–] boomzilla@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm using Rustrover for a year now on KDE and I can't observe the performance decrease or the AI craze reported here. Neither have I witnessed any impactful bugs like OP describes. In fact I'd say I haven't seen much bugs at all.

I'm not using the AI/LLM features at all and I can't remember if I disabled them or if that's even possible but when I read here that JetBrains is overly focussed on AI, I'd say that you shouldn't dare to leave your carefully crafted nvim environment and take a peek at what's happening over in the vs-code world as their LLM commitment on a whole 'nother level.

Don't want to diminish what others here experience with their IDEs. Maybe I'm just having the "It works on my machine" syndrome but I would be interested about what OS and specific IDE OP ist using.

[–] slesa@social.saarland 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@boomzilla I am using Garuda Linux. It is possible that Niri causes some problems - but hiding the cursor out of reason? An it is a small Qt library I am editing, so it is CLion in this case.

[–] boomzilla@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Wanted to try Niri or MangoWM for quite some time. But I'll wait till I replaced my Nvidia with AMD or Intel Arc. When I run into problems I'all report back. On YouTrack there are a few, but not overly many bugs and visual glitches related to Niri listed. No issue which resembles your specific problem. Would open an issue there or try to use another JVM for CLion. Good luck.

[–] staircase@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Jetbrains do use AI when writing their IDEs. But I also heard something about the Ukraine war affecting operations, cos they had people working in the countries involved. This was hearsay though.