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[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 80 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

I feel like this is reason to continue the events not call them off. Change the tone to somber or angry but stopping things plays into their hand of inciting fear. We go to pride to show people we aren't afraid, we're willing to be visible, and that if they threaten us they have to deal with an entire community. I've never considered it to just be a fun party and I've always assumed something dangerous might happen. I'd be out there twice as hard today

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[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

💭 To consider antireligion instead of atheism
“The harm of religion is historically evident whereas the presence or absence of gods is not. Ultimately, the continued existence of religion is predicated on the indoctrination of children and suppression of rational thought. Therefore I am against religion but not necessarily against the idea of gods. For all we know gods are computer scientists and we are in their video game.” ―https://www.arscyni.cc/file/antireligion.html

[…] Not only is religion vague, it is dishonest. Homosexuality for instance. While conversing with a Muslim former colleague A, I noticed that even though the religious say they supposedly want tolerance and acceptance for all, do they actually believe it?

Q: “Do you have a problem with homosexuality?”

A: “Look. They can do whatever they want, but it's abnormal you see?”

Q: “In the strict definition of the word abnormal I agree, i.e., heterosexuality is a lot more prevalent than homosexuality, making the latter rare—“abnormal”. But I don't consider it wrong. Do you? Do you consider it a sin even though it harms no one?”

Long silence…

A: “Yes, I consider it a sin.”

Q: “Okay then.”

Christopher Hitchens was right, religion does poison everything. Even though colleague A said people are free to do whatever they please, following it up with “homosexuality is a sin” arguably exposes his feigned tolerance. […]

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I am against religion and the idea of gods, as well as every other superstition.

I wish everyone would quit making shit up and focus on reality.

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[–] SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not gonna defend religion or anything, but this

Even though colleague A said people are free to do whatever they please, following it up with “homosexuality is a sin” arguably exposes his feigned tolerance. […]

is a non-sequitur argument. Or at least it has an unspoken premise, of what it means for something to be a sin.

People are usually free to commit sins, and other religious people tolerate their sinning. As long as they're the socially accepted kind of sins in that religious community, like drinking alcohol, hitting your children, coveting your neighbours wife, you name it. Hypocrisy is an integral element of any religious community I know.

But the hypocrisy here is not, that homesexuality is called a sin. It is, that it is usually regarded as a graver sin than all the others that are happily tolerated.

[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

is a non-sequitur argument.

I think I have to disagree, but I understand where you're coming from, hence the "arguably". Believing something is a sin indeed doesn't equal taking someone's freedom to do so. However, his revulsion was uttered with such conviction and certain facial expressions that it signaled if he had free rein, he would not tolerate homosexuality at all, i.e., would prohibit it.

[–] foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

freedom of religion is a requirement for freedom from religion.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, it is not. Freedom to pick a bullet caliber to shoot your neighbour is not a requirement to NOT shoot your neighbours

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[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

freedom of religion is a requirement for freedom from religion.

“freedom of ~~religion~~ brainwashing is a requirement for freedom from ~~religion~~ brainwashing.”

A spurious but innocuous sounding argument.

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[–] Blubber28@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

A religious person whose religion explicitly forbids homosexuality commits violence against queer people. I too wonder at what the motivation could possibly be 🙄.

Yes, not all religious people are this way. But don't forget with things like this, it is almost always a relgious and/or far right person. The sentiment with rape of "not all men but always a man" applies here too.

[–] forbiddencherry@lemmy.today 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, women can be rapists too.

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[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There was that attack by an Arab atheist a while back, in Germany no less. Just saying for the sake of it.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago

I was curious about his motivation, so I did some reading to find out.

In a video he made some time before the attack, he was very upset about someone stealing a USB stick from his mailbox. He's former muslim, anti-islam, pro-Israel, and generally right wing, though he called himself a leftist. He admires Alex Jones and Elon Musk. He tried to get close to the AfD while atheist organizations distanced themselves from him due to his extreme views. He tried to explain his motive for the vehicle attack during the trial, but was rambling, incoherent, disconnected.

He was sentenced to life in prison, which seems reasonable to me.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If religion caused violence I'm not sure why it's not way more common. Evil shit heads are always looking for an excuse.

[–] OryxAndCake@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Domestic violence is pretty common amongst religious and far right people, no?

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[–] MrKoyun@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Fucking pathetic! What a horrid waste of a life who was presumably a better person than the van driver.

[–] Tsanad@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago
[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is not good news as this will enbolden the AfD party. They will increase in popularity due the origin of the purpetrator. Especially it is an election year in certain German states.

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