When we see a tankie, we laugh and point, then we move on. There's no talking them out of it. I grew up in the USSR, they don't believe my experience. Laugh then ignore.
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The problem with the "laugh then ignore" philosophy is that many who are attracted to power do so to abuse that power.
As such, I keep running into moderators of leftist spaces on Lemmy who smack me for calling out abuses of the CCP, USSR, and DPRK. Specifically, lemmy.world/c/latestagecapitalism, lemmy.ml/c/memes, and one other that I can't remember and can't find because they deleted all of my comments on their community.
When you have seas of downvotes and bad faith arguments combined with moderators brutally cracking down on dissent, it makes leftists look ridiculous to most. I (and apparently OP) are then frustrated enough to be compelled to spread the word that not every socialist is engaging in good faith. I don't know if that's more damaging to socialism than what they do or not, but it's the truth.
TL;DR: Echo chambers suck.
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I thought the title was a pun lol
My biggest growth with leftism was just learning to let other well meaning people be wrong. I'm wrong most of the time but inviting other people to dunk on he never really fixed any of my issues so it probably wouldn't help anyone else either.
There's plenty of online space for people who think capitalism has to go but maybe we shouldn't slob off mass murderers and imperialists to make that happen. It's not a worldview we actually have to fight other internet leftists for. Especially since nothing done online is praxis.
While I appreciate the sentiment, how can we form cohesive organizations without cohesive ideas and policies? The Bolshevists struggled with this and took a lot of ideas into consideration, while forging policy. It doesn't mean we automatically kick people out of dialogue, until it threatens the developed anticapitalist policy forged through these struggles among ourselves. It's not that "not everyone has a voice," as much as "certain policies take precedence in order to stop the advancement of capitalism that directly, indirectly, and more importantly, intentionally harms the many for the insatiable greed of the few.
Well, I'd argue that the cohesive ideas already exist within people's consciousness in a serviceable state, even as wrong minded as we can be. What doesn't exist is a directive within us to turn morally good ideas into actions that we take. And we just can't get that from online, being here talking with eachother like this is too emotionally rewarding whether or not we're arguing.
If you live in a place where you have a community that can act against capitalism in any particular way, doing that would probably be more effective than checking online with strangers like me or the .ml 社会信用体系 farm for alternatives. You know, it just doesn't feel like there are any wrong answers now. Also me being here talking is 100% a part of the problem.
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MLs don't have much love for anarchists or any other sort of anti-authoritarians. Never had, looking back at history.
Literally, ANY North Korean defector will tell you how bad the North Korean regime is.
Okay, but to be fair, you're never going to hear positive things from a defector about the country they defected from.
It's not that the defector has negative things it's what those negative things are about.
There is a big difference between "healthcare system sucks" and "we are being taken, raped, tortured, and/or murdered for not loving dear leader."
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Just an fyi, and speaking as an anarchist, I would NOT consider Proudhon a good example. Bro was a supporter of the Confederacy, as well as quite a few other very problematic stuff.
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Personally I don't consider authoritarians to be "leftist".
Tankies and libs are both right-wing just with different imperial branding.
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Tankies are only lefty on the economical spectrum, they are also full-blown authoritarian bootlickers. Fucking disgusting parasites if you ask me, sick in the head all of them.
I agree with the sentiment, absolutely, but I have to say I snorted a bit when I read 'leftist spaces have a lot of red flags' lol. Yea, kind of the flag of choice here lol (though I prefer Anarchist black or a combination of the two)
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