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[–] Syndication@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yet they cant afford to help their own citizens with healthcare. What a shitty country.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

They could afford it, they'd just rather spend that money on cops and surveillance to crush unrest rather than social programs that would avoid it in the first place.

[–] Rindogang@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How much more pain can the US economy really withstand? I keep hearing about the mismanagement and how costly their mistakes have been (the Iran war, overspending on AI compared to China, the US debt, etc.)

I keep hearing over and over that they are messing up, but when will their economy actually collapse? This might sound ignorant I'm sorry. I genuinely don't understand how they are still alive

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's basically inertia, American economy has a massive stock of national wealth and trust. For decades, inflows like tax revenue and productive innovation filled the stock faster than outflows like debt and war spending drained it. And thanks to that, there's a massive amount of resilience that's been built up over many decades. Now the outflow is outpacing the inflow, but the existing stock is so large that we're not seeing any catastrophic effects yet. A huge country can absorb a lot of pain before anything visibly changes. The US still has strong buffers like deep capital markets, the dollar’s reserve status, and a large domestic economy. Each successive mistake chips away at these buffers, and when the stock finally runs dry, the system will tip fast. The economy won't collapse tomorrow, but it is living off stored up capital rather than current productive inflows. The damage is masked by the size of our existing stocks. Once those are gone, the real crash comes.

[–] allende2001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Each successive mistake chips away at these buffers, and when the stock finally runs dry, the system will tip fast.

Like a giant star going supernova once it runs out of fuel after a long time and lots of pressure (like hollowing out your industrial base + causing the Iranians to close Hormuz by martyring their Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and murdering 168 schoolgirls on the same day)

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Basically what you're saying is that if another Democratic president is elected, they'll have to clean up the joint and reset the economy for the next Republican president who will get elected because the Democratic President repaired it but not fast enough?

wash, rinde, repeat

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

The trajectory is exactly the same regardless of which bourgeoisie party is in charge. The all represent the interests of capital first and foremost. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A lot, because there's too many vassal countries propping up the US economy.
They will going down first, like East Germany before the USSR.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It is even worse than that. From https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/morgan-stanley-drops-50-billion-113057367.html:

Morgan Stanley raised AI cluster cost estimates, with Nvidia's Vera Rubin systems now priced at $49 billion per gigawatt.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

when the bubble pops it's going to be epic

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd ask what the end goal of all this is, what amazing, strategic maybe, infrastructure planning, etc that this is all building up to, and it's money. I don't know how they're planning on turning this into a profitable venture, but it's money, it's always just money. The people with everything want more.

[–] bigfish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's control. If you were trying to set up a massive 1984 nanny state, you would be doing the same thing. Collect all the data you can, encrypted or not. Finish working on quantum computers that can break basically all standard encryption, or just set up the infrastructure to make them faster. Then task all the LLM compute you can spare to identifying dissenters and destroying / isolating / marginalizing them, meanwhile anchoring and growing your base of support. Datacenters are at the heart of all of this.

nanny state

Nanny state implies some level of care from the state rather than the stripping of every bit of governmental and societal support from every single individual in order to put them into a machine to grind them all into human juice

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

They figure they can use mass surveillance to control the restless masses and stifle the coming revolution.

[–] Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

this is the best time to be alive … if you are a billionaire oligarch