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[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Anyone else wince when they read "using ai"? I like the whole recompiling thing though.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If there is one thing AI is good at it is the ingestion and reformulation of copyrighted materials.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Hor damn, excellent point haha.

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 9 points 2 days ago

Lmao, gottem.

[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes. But think about it this way: if companies are going to use AI to rip us all off, we might as well use it to rip them off too. (No shade at Nintendo who doesn't resort to AI slop...)

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah but fighting ai with ai doesn't get rid of ai.

[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 9 points 2 days ago

No, sadly it wont.

However, decompilation and recompilation are areas that AI could theoretically be extremely effective (due to the fact that much of it is based on educated guesswork in the first place, whether done by humans or not), and being able to turn proprietary software into plausibly "open source" software will be an effective tool for fighting back against big tech corporations (Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, etc.) as well as for preserving classic, beloved software and games.

Listen, I'm as big of a generative AI hater as the next guy, if not bigger. I see myself as much as an artist and musician as a programmer, and I hate big tech for what I can only call the most egregious act of IP theft and cultural strip-mining in human history. It's plagiarism on an industrial scale. It's ethically wrong, economically a house of cards, and generally fucking sucks.

But at the same time, machine learning is an effective method of data-driven guessing and pattern recognition. Arguably it is the most effective method, which is why it's much easier to use ML to make a program for things like image recognition than traditional algorithmic coding. Having recently read Chris Lewis' blog on the decomp/recomp effort for Snowboard Kids 2 on the N64, it's clear that LLMs are absolutely not a silver bullet of decompilation (at least, not yet), but it is almost an ideal problem space for what ML really does--guess shit based on a big pool of data.

So, my feeling is, if big tech companies are going to leverage these tools to steal from the people, then I think turnabout is fair play and I look forward to seeing the people leverage these tools for relative good. If people who sell art are going to be pushed out of the market due to slop generators, then it's only fair for people to reverse engineer any and all of the software that matters in return.

[–] minfapper@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hate to break it to you, but we're never getting rid of AI.

Like how we will forever have trace amounts of cesium and PFAS/microplastics in our blood, AI generated content is going to be around in most things.

The question is will you also use it for good, or just leave it for the bad actors only?

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How the fuck is me using it helping anything?

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Technically using it means burning stupid Wall Street investors' money, since none of these AIs are profitable. Using it more would accelerate any potential bankruptcy.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fair point! Though it does feel a bit like sinking a billionaires yacht, Yeah they are hurt but now the ocean is polluted. And they still have infinite money.

[–] Epp@lemmus.org -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You keep tilting at those windmills, Don. You'll get them eventually! So long as the 'monstrous giants' don't interfere, of course.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You have any idea how much damage ai is doing to the planet? Probably not cause you sound like an insufferable cunt.

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I do, actually. More than some things, less than others. Just like nearly everything else. It's not as bad as golf courses, when it comes to water usage - and especially not when comparing water pollution, golf courses are so much worse due to the pesticides and herbicides.

Not as much electricity as all the combined servers and individual clients of video games. Less than is used to light all the Christmas lights at all major cities for the season in which they're lit.

Unlike you, I don't resort to ad hominems, as facts stand on their own without needing insults to bolster them. As a fact, though, you sound like an ignorant bandwagoner who read too many articles meant to induce panic and now believe the sky will fall as a result of running different software on hardware we already had.

I suspect this is a result of your conflating data centers and artificial intelligence. You do know there's a difference, right? You can use AI with zero damage to the planet. I do daily; using the same GPU I use for gaming (for a fraction of the electricity of actual gaming) and powered by a solar array. It's less harmful to the planet than turning on my stove to cook a meal.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Well I stand by the insufferable cunt bit. As for ai, I am fucking sick of seeing it fucking everywhere. All the sloppy posters, flyers, freakin photos for funerals that I have to print made by ai. Everytime there's an update to software just to add more ai function that nobody asked for and bloats up the place cause they need to justify the unimaginable money they throw in this pitt of despare called ai. People relying on ai to think for them. The next generations are gonna be too dumb to think for themselves cause they are stuck to their slopmachines thinking for them. Nobody will be able to think for themselves. Can't wait for kids tone taught by ai that's set up by techbros. I had someone ask ai what color frame they should pick, like they couldn't fucking think for themselves WHAT COLOR THEY LIKE.
If this continues ai will just feed on itself turning everything in generic garbage. And everyone will be thinking the same. And all this is without even mentioning all the data center bullshit that makes everything worse in general.

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

You do you, buddy. You sound like you have a lot of frustration in your life, and AI is the easiest target. I spoke out against your punching bag, and now I've drawn your ire, which comes with complimentary insults. Cool beans.

There's a reason why people "rely" on AI. It's truly insightful, with a shocking aptitude for inference. I, myself, have used it to pick a color, but not because "I didn't know what color I like" but because I know that there are considerations to choosing a color for psychological and practical reasons, and while I don't know all those reasons, nor want to expend my time learning them (and being unsure if I learned them all) I can instead allow AI to utilize it's omniscience to make those considerations.

So, for example, when I asked it what colors to use for my basement, and provided a picture of the existing color scheme, it was able to find something that looked like it belonged perfectly, while also taking into account that the basement has a low ceiling, so I want to incorporate vertical stripes to make the space seem larger than it actually is. That's not something I would have naturally thought of, so that's useful and appreciated. It doesn't atrophy my brain to acknowledge the insight afforded by an encyclopedic mind is beneficial to my selection, and I spent far less time than I would have in hunting down articles about the best way to choose colors for cramped sub-surface locations.

AI isn't going anywhere, sorry, person-who-thinks-I'm-an-insufferable-cunt, so you might as well benefit from it rather than being the crying toddler having a meltdown in the food court of a mall because he's upset the radio overplays a song that he doesn't like.

Turn your frown upside down. You can do it! I believe in you!

[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

I winced. AI has a bad reputation.

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I winced when I read your comment. I like the responses though.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Epp@lemmus.org -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You, too! Everyone should enjoy all the slop, of every kind, with no discrimination.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

with no discrimination.

Sir, this is social media.

95% of it is people brainstorming to finding new ways to define an out-group and coming up with creative insults to use against them. (The rest is cat pics, thankfully.)

Discrimination is a key ingredient in self-righteous outrage, don'cha'know?

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You are quite correct, good sir, madam, or formal non-binary term of intended respect of your choosing.

Tis but a shame the sham shows clearly through the veneer of modern sociability, no true recountenance granted open minds seeking amenable allowance of earnest individuality.

I should have gone to a Wendy's.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, not really. That actually is awesome. If AI enables people to do cool stuff like this in their free time, that is great.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah because it's worth it to contribute to the death of the planet so you can play a snappier version of Mario Kart Wii

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

People really need to get a sense of energy consumption. Someone sitting at home creating a AI version of Mario Kart and distributing it via the Internet uses less energy than Nintendo having its team commuting into an office, producing Discs/carts, shipping them into stores and so on. The amount of energy used here should be less than a single person driving a few hundred kilometers with his car to do another Hobby.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Look how much I don't care. It's crazy.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 2 points 20 hours ago

You are on the internet arguing about this. So I know that you do care

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 1 points 20 hours ago

Lol. Sorry, prole, it looks like your angry mob is dissolving.... Maybe the AI will get you after all.

[–] EarMaster@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't like it when they use computers to do stuff…

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago

They use up so much electricity! And they enable piracy. Some of them are even gasp water-cooled! 😱

[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Nope, not in the least. Just happy to have the recompile regardless of toolset

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mario game forcibly moved to cutting-edge software standards in open defiance of copyright law

Lemmy: "Oh, neat."

using AI

Lemmy: "That's theft!"

[–] Sophocles@infosec.pub 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

These aren't really comparable things.

[–] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Cool and all, but I’d prefer they worked on games and consoles that don’t already work amazingly well via emulation.

[–] raspirate@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I always liked the wii version because it didn't have such aggressive "balancing" and you could win by half the racetrack or more if you played well and didn't get blue shelled. I don't know if the newer ones are like that, but it was a welcome change at the time in my opinion.

[–] detren@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

8 was somewhat like that, while World is very shortcut and item dependent. Items are extremely powerful, and if you’re unable to take a big shortcut, because of a lack of mushrooms or skill with the new mechanics, and especially in the routes/intermission tracks (they’re basically tracks between the normal tracks and they mostly kinda suck), you lose. Even if you’re first spot for the most part. Still really fun tho.

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if recompiling will be the new emulation, since architecture for consoles has gotten more complicated.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So someone else can correct me, but the architecture for consoles has gotten less complicated.

The GameCube, Wii & Wii U run on a PowerPC CPU architecture. Switch & Switch 2 run on an ARM architecture.

But the recent PlayStation and Xbox consoles are all x86/x86_64, which is the same as your PC. So these consoles won't need recompilation.

For the Switch series, while ARM would need recompilation, it's also hugely popular. I know Valve is doing some ARM magic, although I think that's to ARM and not from ARM, but it still might be helpful. But importantly recompilation of these should be much easier.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It has become more complicated. You are forgetting to mention that there is now os' running on consoles that you also need to emulate. And if you dont want to emulate that, youd need to emulate the actual hardware in more detail ( + need data dumps of consoles ) and have to emulate the chips with all its co-processors and securities. Encryption cores/engines, mmu's, hypervisors, ...

Back on the gamecube and wii days you had to emulate... The cpu, nand ( or bios ) and disc drive. All games had all information anf software contained on the disc or channel. Thats it.

And yes, ps4 was , for example, a x86 cpu. But that doesnt mean its instantly compatible with your pc. The architectures and features are completely different.
For example, ps5 has a feature that the gpu can read from the ssd without passing cpu or ram. While some pc's can now do it too, this was long not the case.
And there are other things too ( no bios, no pch iirc, completely different os design/syscalls, ... )

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

ARM is a RISC ISA, which should make it way easier to emulate/statically compile. The main difficulties wouldn't be hardware quirks like a lot of past emulators, but system OS quirks. The wine project has dealt with a lot of both (x86 has a ton of instructions and windows has a lot of system shit going on).

I do think you are 100% correct that hardware is much simpler now. The Switch has had several emulators for a while now bc of this.