this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2026
3 points (100.0% liked)

Friendly Carnivore

103 readers
10 users here now

Carnivore

The ultimate, zero carb, elimination diet

Meat Heals.

We are focused on health and lifestyle while trying to eat zero carb bioavailable foods.

Keep being AWESOME

We welcome engaged, polite, and logical debates and questions of any type


Purpose

Rules

  1. Be nice
  2. Stay on topic
  3. Don't farm rage
  4. Be respectful of other diets, choices, lifestyles!!!!
  5. No Blanket down voting - If you only come to this community to downvote its the wrong community for you
  6. No LLM generated posts . Don't represent machine output as your own, and don't use machines to burn human response time.

Other terms: LCHF Carnivore, Keto Carnivore, Ketogenic Carnivore, Low Carb Carnivore, Zero Carb Carnivore, Animal Based Diet, Animal Sourced Foods


Meta

Carnivore Resource List

If you need to block this community and the UI won't let you, go to settings -> blocks you can add it.

[Meta] Moderation Policy for Niche Communities

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

All General Practitioners should know the real fundamentals of nutrition to combat obesity - and the known risks of GLP-1s.

summerizerPurpose and thesis

  • Metabolic dysfunction and obesity are modifiable upstream drivers of chronic disease, and dietary therapy is the first-line response.
  • Calorie-restricted low-fat advice is predictably ineffective, and willpower is not an adequate explanation for obesity.

Insulin and carbohydrate model

  • Insulin is the dominant hormonal driver of fat storage because it promotes substrate entry into adipocytes and suppresses stored-fat release.
  • Lipohypertrophy, weight gain after insulin initiation, insulin omission for weight control, and an eight-year youth cohort show the fat-storing effect of high insulin.
  • High-carbohydrate diets raise glucose and insulin, enable de novo lipogenesis after glycogen capacity is filled, activate lipoprotein lipase and GLUT4, and inhibit hormone-sensitive lipase.
  • A controlled feeding trial found roughly 300 kcal per day higher energy expenditure on the low-carbohydrate diet during weight-loss maintenance.

Low-carbohydrate evidence and common objections

  • Seventy-one randomized low-carbohydrate versus low-fat weight-loss trials ran from 2003 to 2023, with all 39 statistically significant results favoring low carbohydrate.
  • Twenty meta-analyses and umbrella reviews are further evidence that carbohydrate restriction outperforms low-fat diets for weight loss.
  • A dietary requirement for 130 g of carbohydrate is unnecessary because ketones can fuel the brain and Cahill's fasted subjects tolerated profound insulin-induced hypoglycemia without symptoms.
  • Nutritional ketosis differs from diabetic ketoacidosis, and SGLT2-associated euglycemic acidosis involves insulin deficiency and renal acid handling, not ketones alone.
  • Routine protein restriction is unnecessary for healthy kidneys; MDRD follow-up and meta-analyses found no renal harm from higher protein intake in people without proteinuria.

Saturated fat and LDL

  • A simple saturated-fat-to-LDL rule is invalid because a butter, olive-oil, and coconut-oil trial did not produce the predicted LDL response.
  • LDL participates in innate immunity, and hypothyroidism, vitamin B12 deficiency, and folate deficiency can elevate LDL independently of dietary saturated fat.
  • The corn-oil trial, Sydney Diet Heart Study, Minnesota Coronary Experiment, and Women's Health Initiative failed to show cardiovascular benefit from reducing saturated fat and produced adverse signals.
  • Delayed publication, incomplete publication, and selective placement of statistically significant results distorted the saturated-fat evidence base.
  • Reviews of the evidence available before the 1977 guidelines and later meta-analyses provide no mortality justification for reducing saturated fat.

Semaglutide and GLP-1 drugs

  • STEP 1 produced an average 16.86 kg loss over 68 weeks in more than 1,300 participants, but DXA data from 95 participants attributed 39% of total loss to lean tissue.
  • Trial participants received exercise counseling, yet the pivotal publications did not quantify resistance training well enough to determine its protective effect.
  • SELECT regulatory data showed about a fivefold hip-fracture signal in females, and a 52-week Danish trial found lower spine and hip bone density, thinner tibial cortical bone, and rising bone resorption.
  • Recent epidemiology linked GLP-1 receptor agonists with an 11% higher fragility-fracture risk in older adults, while AAOS data linked use with higher five-year osteoporosis and osteomalacia risk.
  • STEP 1 follow-up participants regained about two-thirds of lost weight within 12 months after withdrawal, while STEP 2 supplied no body-composition data on regained weight.
  • Blundell's mechanistic trial found semaglutide reduced unrestricted energy intake by roughly one-quarter to one-third without improving food composition.
  • The gaunt facial change called "Ozempic face" is chiefly lean-tissue loss and malnutrition produced by appetite suppression.

Nutrient adequacy and tissue preservation

  • A 1975 intravenous overfeeding study found that withholding nitrogen, phosphate, potassium, or sodium blocked muscle or bone formation and diverted most or all gained weight into fat.
  • Bone is mineralized protein, so calcium alone is inadequate; an older-adult calcium and vitamin D trial linked the highest protein intake with increased bone mineral density.
  • A 2015 phosphate trial reduced weight and waist circumference, while magnesium and potassium experiments linked mineral repletion with improved glucose regulation.
  • Plant antinutrients and conversion limits reduce usable phosphorus, iron, zinc, retinol, EPA, and DHA despite their nominal presence in foods.
  • Animal foods supply highly bioavailable micronutrients and higher-scoring protein, making protein quality important during drug-induced appetite suppression.

Clinical conclusion

  • A low-carbohydrate, nutrient-dense, mostly animal-based diet with adequate protein is the preferred route to lower insulin, preserve lean tissue, and stimulate natural satiety.
  • Resistance training and sufficient protein can mitigate muscle and bone loss, but adopting them may also remove the need for indefinite injectable therapy.
  • Semaglutide can produce substantial weight loss, but patients should receive full informed consent about lean-tissue loss, skeletal risks, nutritional shortfalls, indefinite use, and weight regain after withdrawal.

References

top 2 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

34:30 - ad libitum energy intake cut by 25-33%, with no meaningful change in diet, i.e. guaranteed nutrient deficiencies which may account for sarcopenia and "Ozempic face".. the hall marks - sunken temples, sunken cheeks are from muscle loss in the face.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

i was trying out a new reference format and it kinda worked, but doesn't collapse inside of spoiler blocks

broken syntax example

example 1 [^1] example 2 [^2]

[^1]: result 1 [^2]: result2

can't collapse the footnote anchors