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cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/shermanposting/p/1855263/don-t-be-a-loser
The issue is, if you care at all about how the Palestinian people are treated, you’re labeled an antisemite. That word is being used to shut down ANY discourse.
While real antisemitism is also on the rise
It sounds like victim blaming, but a lot of the rise of antisemitism is being fueled by the actions of the Israeli state itself. Over the course of the last few years the state has burned through 80 years of good will and hard work put in by groups devoted to fighting real antisemitism.
A lot of the behaviour like flexing control over the media, and political systems that antisemitic groups have been falsely accusing them of have been made true through the acts of the Israeli far right government. Furthering the idea that these antisemitic groups have been correct the whole time. The worse thing is that the state is intentionally conflating the idea that the actions of Israel represent the intent of all Jewish people, labeling any criticism against the state antisemitic behavior. This only serves to validate the behaviour of real antisemitic actors, giving them cover to disguise their racism under a veil of righteous criticism.
Israel spent significant resources propagandizing that they speak for every jewish people on earth. As a part ashkenazi, I was called blood traitor many times for suggesting that maybe genocide shouldn't be happening actually. And I can't even betray any blood, I wasn't even rised jewish and I don't look the part.
Yep, after Palestinians this propaganda campaign is most dangerous for ethnic Jews. It always amazes me that people who survived the consequences of people attempting to create an ethnostate are so quick to want to create one themselves.
I can label someone a sociopath for wearing red shoes, doesn't make them one.
Unfortunately he’s confusing antisemites with antizionists
Given how much he reversed on after speaking with experts on other things when he was govenor, I think he could be convinced he isn't defending the right people if he talked to a 3rd party expert about it.
Despite him being a Republican he seems to be a reasonable guy. Usually.
I think he's one of those Rinos republicans are yapping about.
Yeah.... Morally he wasn't as repugnant as your average Republican, especially compared to today's standards. However, there isn't really a way to be a Republican and still be a truly empathetic person. His tenure as governor was all about cutting taxes and services for his constituents.
He massively cut funding for schools, healthcare, and social services which, all while racking up a huge amount of debt for the state. Imo you can't systemically make the lives of hundreds of thousands poor families even harder and still be considered a good person. Being "fiscally conservative" is just short hand for wanting to starve children and deprive them of healthcare and equitable futures, just to make rich people richer.
Agree with this outside of those opposing genocide being labeled as antisemites.
Was going to say, the quote sounds great, but of course I had a feeling the context was probably saying... calling the specific government/individuals who are commiting a genocide out for what they are actually doing. Rather than hating people for what their race is.
Actually, the speech is mostly about that last part even as it starts on the Holocaust. Since so far I didn't see a link to it, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsETTn7DehI
This is personal for him. IIRC his dad was a Nazi and during his childhood he remembered him being a sad angry man, never getting over the loss.
Sadly he joined the GOP.
While I may like the sentiment, his actions are contrary to it.
The GOP glorifies personal responsibility while making sure that individuals without wealth have little to no power.
Perhaps have a look at what he achieved instead of the label he achieved it under. His policies were pretty far removed from what you would expect from a Republican.
Decidedly have no love for the GOP, but he was a politician in a time where the GOP was immensely different from what it is today, and the focus of the party was not overt bigotry and absolutism. Iirc, he was also talked about as a bit of a black sheep during the Bush Jr.-era GOP politics, but I might be misremembering things based on my own impressions from that time.
The term "semite" has two definitions, one traditional and one modern. Palestinians are semitic according to both of them.
No but don't you understand? Criticizing the Israeli government for slaughtering Palestinians is anti-Semitic for... reasons.
Whatever your views on him as an actor or his political affiliation, you should watch the original speech in its entirety, rather than keep this soundbite in and of itself and hijack its meaning. It's also worth noting this was recorded in early 2023, so a lot of things have changed since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsETTn7DehI
I think it's a powerful message and well delivered. Something the hardline MAGA crowd definitely needed to heed. And all around the world, as more of these populist movements rise or have risen.
as an actor
Schwarzenegger may have had a very specific niche he fit within as an actor, but when he worked within that niche he was excellent. If you look at Conan the Barbarian, it should not have worked as a movie, and yet it absolutely does, and no small part of that is his acting. Dude can smolder stoically. Terminator, T2, Running Man, Total Recall, Predator, they're all excellent uses of his very specific type.
Then jump ahead to True Lies and Last Action Hero, where he's arguably at his height of fame, and he makes basically a couple of parodies of his acting persona, during a time when action heroes were largely taken much more seriously than they are today, and he nails both of those roles, too.
Sure, he's got a bad habit of trying to make movies he maybe shouldn't have, and yeah, he's always a huge muscly Austrian with a thick accent, but I think he might be the best Western action star who's ever lived.
As a person or a politician... ehh... could be a lot worse.
Then why are you a Republican?
Because he immigrated to the US after hearing a speech from Reagan and promptly went from having almost nothing to starting his own business and becoming a multi-millionaire before he got into acting. He's what the Republican party used to advertise itself as. He is to the Republican Party what Worf is to the Klingon Empire.
He is to the Republican Party what Worf is to the Klingon Empire.
Ahh finally an analogy my Lemmy brain can understand.
Ok but why is he republican today?
Because he's old and he's always been a Republican.
Anti-semitism is a bankrupt term. Its being weaponized by nazi-Israel against anyone who criticize Israel. We should rather use a plain term like judeophobia so that we are clear in our speech.
MAGA/GOP? Losers. Zionists? Losers.
And yet they cause incomprehensible suffering. We must stop them now.
He forgot to say MAGA are losers didn't he?
Iirc, I think I remember this speech of his. It was about magas and telling them to go the fuck home, shut the fuck up, and grow up. Basically trying to Daddy them and tell them to stop acting like the losers they are.
Well alright could you please also forward that note to the genocidal child killers that are ranzig Gaza and Lebanon?
I really don't want more antisemitism but that's not something I can control as Israel itself is currently the biggest driver of antisemitism in the world
Lmao does that mean he's against the apartheid in Israel or playing into their propaganda? Cause It could really be either lol
Israel is an apartheid state though…
Something all of us have to keep in mind, especially based on many of the comments here generalizing about MAGA, Jews (and the guilt by association angle), immigrants more broadly (for the rare conservative about these parts), etc..
I see a lot of rationalization and emotionally strong trigger words being used to justify acting the way Arnold is being celebrated for saying people should not act.
On his final day in office, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger "announced in an executive order signed on December 31, 2010, that he had commuted Nunez's sentence from 16 years to seven years. Back-room dealings were apparent.".
Just swinging through to say fuck Schwarzenegger.
he also endorsed orban before election. he can fuck himself.