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dive into the history of "ascorbic acid," exploring its roots in Latin and its essential role as an anti-scurvy nutrient. This discussion highlights the importance of understanding our vitamins and the impact of vitamin deficiency on health.

Article companion: https://theukcarnivore.substack.com/p/understanding-the-importance-of-dhaa

summerizerCore thesis

  • Vitamin C is tied to the scurvy story, with bleeding-gum avoidance as the narrow endpoint.
  • The form central here is DHAA from animal foods, not plant ascorbic acid or supplement megadoses.
  • GULO gene loss is an efficient adaptation to a meat-based diet.
  • The name ascorbic acid keeps nutrition tied to anti-scurvy thinking across more than a century.

DHAA as the usable form

  • DHAA is oxidized vitamin C, not omega-3 DHA, and it can convert back into ascorbic acid inside cells.
  • Red blood cells take up DHAA, convert it back into ascorbic acid, and move it through the bloodstream.
  • DHAA uses glucose transporters, especially GLUT1, which gives it strong cellular access.
  • DHAA crosses the blood-brain barrier, enters cell membranes, and reaches mitochondria.
  • The body uses DHAA where oxidative stress is high, especially in tissues with heavy oxygen demand.
  • Blood plasma is mostly ascorbic acid, while heart and lung tissue can contain a large DHAA share of total vitamin C.

Evolution and recycling

  • Most mammals make vitamin C from glucose, while humans and a few other species lost that pathway through GULO gene loss.
  • That loss fits ancestral reliance on fresh animal foods that already supplied DHAA.
  • Humans recycle ascorbic acid efficiently, so small amounts support collagen and core vitamin C functions.
  • Low carbohydrate intake lowers glucose competition for transporters, making the DHAA pathway more coherent.
  • The problem is not a missing orange; it is a modern misunderstanding of which vitamin C form matters.

Scurvy, sailors, and food history

  • The sailor scurvy story is not simply a citrus story; it is also a fresh-meat story.
  • Long voyages relied on hardtack, grain, old salted pork, and other depleted rations without fresh meat.
  • When meat ran out or became rancid, sailors were left with grain-heavy food that lacked the needed vitamin C activity.
  • Fresh meat had already been known to cure scurvy, while the later lime story dominated the public lesson.
  • Nutrition databases and old food tables miss the point when they focus only on plant ascorbic acid and omit DHAA in meat.

Antioxidants, glucose damage, and low-carb metabolism

  • Ascorbic acid is reactive and can become harmful at megadose levels, especially as a supplement isolated from ancestral food patterns.
  • The body’s main antioxidant defense comes from glutathione, superoxide dismutase, catalase, and other stable systems.
  • Meat supplies sulfur amino acids such as methionine and cysteine, which support glutathione production.
  • Ketogenic and carnivore-style eating are linked here to higher glutathione and lower oxidative burden.
  • High glucose drives damaging pathways such as polyol flux, AGEs, PKC activation, and hexosamine metabolism.
  • Glycation damages collagen and elastin, which connects excess sugar to visible aging and tissue breakdown.

Collagen, immunity, brain function, and food choice

  • Vitamin C is still needed for collagen synthesis, but the needed form can come through DHAA from animal foods.
  • Collagen supplements break down into amino acids, so the body still has to rebuild collagen using vitamin C-dependent chemistry.
  • Glycine, lysine, and NAC support collagen and glutathione more directly than trusting random collagen powders.
  • DHAA also fits immune defense, heart and lung function, brain protection, and mitochondrial protection.
  • Modern fruit is depleted and picked unripe, while fresh meat provides a more bioavailable vitamin C route through DHAA.
  • The practical answer is fresh animal food, not orange juice, fortified flour, or high-dose ascorbic acid.

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[–] silly_goose@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Woah. So is the vitamin C level in carnivores normal?

[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago

I have been doing zero carb/carnivore for 3 and a half years and my blood work has been excellent on each test.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 2 days ago

Depends which vitamin c you mean, dhaa is abundant, carnivores don't get scurvy.

No glucose intake also means there isn't much contention on the glut4 transporter so the vitamin c gets into cells with less competition. I.e. the vitamin c carnivores get is highly effective, very bioavailabile.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For carnivores he goes into why DHAA from meat is superior to Ascorbic Acid in supplements and fruits.

Though if the issue isn't glut4 competition, does this mean a all fresh meat diet plus tons of sugar wont lead to scurvy? I haven't seen anything covering this particular scenario. Pre age-of-sail northern europe didn't have vitamin c rich veggies in abundance, so I suspect the dhaa in meat is sufficient by itself.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

The Stefansson book "fat of the land" describes meat as a quick cure for scurvy, pemmican too, but when meat was boiled soft for scurvy affected sailors it didn't provide an ascerbic effect