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[–] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago

Weak, half-measure. You should be fighting against that for everyone regardless of which OS they use

[–] alakey@piefed.social 289 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

See you in a year or 2.

Play as old as times:

  1. Company announces garbage change
  2. People freak out
  3. Company says ok we will only do half of the garbage
  4. People calm down and forget
  5. Company later does the rest of the garbage
  6. Nobody cares because half of it is already there
[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 131 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Foot in the door technique is a timeless way to get what you want. People seem oblivious to it.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I hear frogs experience the same phenomenon with hot water.

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Actually they only stay in the boiling water if their nervous system is impaired

[–] xylol@leminal.space 22 points 3 weeks ago

Good thing humans dont have nervous systems

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[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean it makes total sense the minute you think about it at all.

  • some middle managers year end goals include this unpalatable feature
  • they release it
  • public freaks out
  • pr walks it back a bit
  • that managers back at work the week after trying to get that feature in because they need to justify the work they just did on it for better compensation

It's the same with laws.

It's very hard to get the electorate united to oppose something but if they manage to unite and oppose a bill the lobbyists are back at work on Monday pushing it by a different name.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

100% Microslop.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Are you implying that CA regulators do exactly what disgusting corporations do?!? I am shocked sir!

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[–] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 145 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (17 children)

It’s called “parenting.” Yes, it’s harder these days with the internet and literally everything “right there.” But it’s still your job as a parent.

ANYTIME ANYONE imposes restrictions “for the children” - there’s something nefarious going on. If it’s a politician-they are looking to build a database for $. If it’s your priest-he’s banging the alter boy after ccd, or hates himself so much for being gay he’s lashing out at the lgbtq community. If it’s a company-they’ve either been threatened into doing it or more likely are on the take with a fat payday. If it’s a developer adding it into Linux, they should expect fierce skepticism and backlash from the community.

It’s NEVER about the children. It’s always an alternative motive. If they actually cared about kids, they’d make sure they were fed at school, they’d invest in their education, or they’d invest into social programs to help out those less fortunate.

[–] Zanz@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The california law isn't actually age verification. It is unchecked age assertion at the operating system level. He is also there specifically for the parents to fill out.When a new device is purchased. I have no doubts.It will be misused and lead to age verification in the OS with a third party verifying the age, but that isnt want the bill is now

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[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think it's any coincidence that this is occurring at the same time companies like Palantir are signing government contracts left and right and mega-sized data centers are sprouting up all over the country.

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[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 96 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Tbh, this is just a massive stack of misguidedness.

First, look at what the original law does:

  • OS needs to know the age.
  • OS itself doesn't do anything with the age
  • OS needs to provide the age to apps and services asking for it
  • Apps and services need to block content based on the age provided with the OS
  • If the OS doesn't provide an age, apps and services have to block as if the user was a toddler

Removing the requirement for the OS to provide an age doesn't change anything at all, because someone running an OS that doesn't provide an age will just be blocked everywhere. That's not a solution, that's a joke to appease idiots who don't know what the law does.

This is just as misguided as the backlash against systemd who added an age field to the user account to allow people to be still able to access age-restricted content.

The actually relevant part that people should be combatting is the requirement for apps and services to do age verification using the OS-provided age. The OS age field doesn't matter.

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[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

I’m a DevOps engineer and my employer runs a lot of Linux instances in AWS. I’d love for these politicians to explain to me how age verification of Linux web servers should work for auto-scaling environments where instances are spun up and terminated automatically based on traffic volume. I’d also like to know if I should be using the age of our CEO, the age of our company (thanks to Citizens United), or something else.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I'd like to see them pair a bluetooth headset to a phone.

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Obviously corporations just become exempt from the law. And any laws, why* not.

[–] R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago

Obviously uhhhh uhhhhhhh put your ID in a GitHub secret and uhhhhhh social security number and uhhhhhh

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, is each docker container a "computer" of its own? After all, I could use different distro base images!

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[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about, and that makes me extra certain that politicians definitely don't know what you're talking about. It is nice to see them perhaps taking into account expert opinions on this subject, but 1 for 100 doesn't make for a good average.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

I’d love for these politicians to explain to me how age verification of Linux web servers should work for auto-scaling environments where instances are spun up and terminated automatically based on traffic volume.

Come on, can't be that tedious. What could it be 200-300 instances tops per day? My kid sister does that many selfies.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 78 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Fuck age verification, fuck it all to hell. Not for Linux or any other OS or device.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I think that the major current closed-source OSes today are busily harvesting all the data they can anyway, and the vendors probably don't care much about also grabbing age, but stuff like, oh...is it illegal under this law to distribute proprietary versions of older OSes now? Like, classic MacOS, say. That's definitely not open-source. And Apple is not going to go back and do a new release of classic MacOS to add age verification to it. But...there's still some old software that you need classic MacOS to run. So...is it illegal to distribute essential software required to run classic MacOS software in California as of the middle of next year?

I mean, you might be infringing on copyright as well, but Apple may be okay with people copying classic MacOS around, as they can't really make any money off it today. But this is the State of California, not Apple, that would act here.

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[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 75 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

How about the government focus on taking rights away from people who have actually harmed kids, like I don't know, maybe a giant pedophile ring in plain sight? Instead the focus on taking rights from everyone because someone, sometime, in the future harm a child.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

its not even about "protecting the innocent" is about snooping on potential dissidents/ threats to the status quo of the govt.

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[–] imhungry@leminal.space 16 points 3 weeks ago

Because it's not about protecting children, obviously.

When someone with certain personality problems tells blatant lies, they are really only trying to convince themselves. You exist only as an introject inside their minds, you are not real to them, it does not matter if you don't believe them because it doesn't need to make sense to you.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 62 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How about they spend their time revamping parental controls instead? The age gate stuff is clear about user data collection and nothing else.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because they don't give a single fuck about the kids, unless they're pedos fucking kids, then they give all the fucks.

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[–] Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly. Age control is obviously needed I am so glad I'm not a kid that has to navigate the social algorithms of our time.

That said this is obviously a law being pushed by the technofascist companies like meta and their goal is always more power, in this case more data. It's crazy how many law makers just do what they are told. they are doing the same with trying to lock down 3Dprinters.

More local control in operating systems as well as parental controls in platforms like YouTube where they could have full control to turn off the algorithm, maybe even a browser api where you need admin to enable adult mode. But based on everything I've seem from companies like google and meta they don't care in the slightest about the children as long as they make their bag

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[–] iuseasahibtw@ani.social 43 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

It’s being exempt because the Government can’t enforce this requirement on FOSS. Linux isn’t managed by a corporation and I don’t think people realize this yet.

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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The most pedophilic government in history desperately needs to know if your children are on the computer

... For reasons

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[–] brokenwing@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Install a router/device based content filter if you need to block children from accessing porn.

[–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Considering things that are, or could be considered as, porn are everywhere from Reddit to Wikipedia, that doesn't fix the issue. But I agree, this is something for parents to deal with, not legislation.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

It has nothing to do with children at all.

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[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Kaligalis@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

I guess, California is killing Windows without knowing.

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Wild they still play the "think of the children" card while ignoring the Epstein files.

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[–] teft@piefed.social 21 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

So they're basically admitting that they don't need this for any computer since if you don't need it for open source why would you need it for closed source? You think kids don't know how to download and install linux? If I could do it with floppies and a book in the 90s then kids today can do it with a USB image and LLM assistance.

But in reality they'll probably just wait for a few years and try and push it through again like how they do with most shitty legislation.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

This is like winning a small fight and continuing to march on to Moscow on the winter.

They’ll keep whittling rights down until everything you do is logged with your ID and is whitelisted for your consumption (and I mean whitelisted by rich white list of folks who have the power).

Anything LGBTQ will be blocked as controversial. And teaching they don’t like will be hidden. Was slavery bad? “Well, that’s controversial. The Europeans did nothing but civilize those savages don’t you know! And our wealth justifies the whole thing!”

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The proposed amendment specifically states: “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.

That's one way to encourage people to move to open source software

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[–] timestatic@feddit.org 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For a moment I freaked out that they were only gonna exclude Linux and not open source in general but it seems they exclude based on the license based on this article which is a good thing. The dozens of OpenBSD and FreeBSD users may rest safely now

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 14 points 3 weeks ago

The controversy became particularly heated after reports suggested platforms like SteamOS could still fall under the law due to their ties to proprietary application ecosystems.

Ehhh. I think that'd be a hard argument to make. I mean, the OS is open-source. You can download it and modify it and reinstall it or whatever. Sure, it runs Steam, which is proprietary, but so does any other GNU/Linux distro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteamOS

The core operating system is free and open-source software, while the Steam client remains proprietary.

Like, the only way in which SteamOS differs from another Linux distro is that Valve, which makes the proprietary client, also happens to be distributing the OS.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)
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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Does this not just defeat the purpose of this bill? My god the people are so fucking stupid.

[–] Archr@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It would still affect Apple, Microsoft, and Google.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

To late I already implemented my own linux age verification. Every time I log in I scan my face and my drivers license and email it to microsoft, google, meta and the CCP. Get owned privacel

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Wao, I am gladly surprised by this. I would have never thought this would be possible, yet here we are.

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