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submitted 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) by snowydroopz@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
 

A while back I started on this journey, and as most people did, I've had my ups and downs and went through the learning curve, I've now reached the point of so much knowledge that I truly know, I dont know shit. People of Lemmy I come to you today because idk what to do, I recently made a free account with proton, their subscription is fairly cheap so idm paying the monthly tier of 15GB so I can have control over ending it whenever I please instead of being locked in for a year. Now, I heard about Tuta but never dived much into it, i know Proton has had its controversies (Don't be shy of reminding me of what they were), but what are my options here truly for a proper FOSS email provider? I can negate the free part for a reasonable price, but truly private AND secure is a must.

Self Hosting isn't an option yet for personal reasons unless it's completely free.

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[–] edel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago)

Just a week ago I wrote my impressions of diverse email providers so I put it here with a few corrections:

Proton gives me some no good vibe I cannot explain, but it works really good and they really have the human capital to make it work the best. A big criticism is hosting some many services under one roof... specially VPN, drive and email, but it is very convenient for customers. They do also have policies of no-refund that makes that bad sentiment grow... Why no refunding non-used portion or even with a penalty? Regarding its founder, Andy, he did made 3 statements that appeared to support Trump, but I think they were misinterpreted; Andy criticized more the Democrats unrelenting support for the Tech Giants than praising the Republican administration. Let’s remember that, at that time, Trump was the only voice that appeared that was going to favor more the small business vs the mega corporations. Of course, that was the promise that Trump, as with all others he made, were a complete lie. I don’t recall any other statements from Andy beyond that topic of small business vs big tech. After listening to many of Andy interviews, he does not seem to me like a typical Conservative, let alone MAGA supporter.

Mailbox, has been static for a while, but they do offer a good service and now they are attempting to modernize. No full privacy by default but that could potentially be with some effort, but okay for most people. Still a bit German-centric. I still would recommend them easily.

Posteo would have been my first choice since 5 years ago, but the lack of no being able to use your domain, sorry to say it is inexcusable. They say because your own domain brings some privacy up to light, very true! So advise it, “look, we suggest to use our domains for better privacy for you, but if you want the freedom to move to another provider in the future at the cost of a bit of privacy, you are welcome to bring your own domain”. I want to believe the decision was genuine because they think it is for better privacy and not to create a lock-in for its customers.

Tuta… oh Tuta. I like the people, I believe and trust them the most! Yet, they probably still need to grow a bit so they can have the resources to do better (maintaining an email service is it very hard nowadays, even more a privacy oriented one). Their android client does not share data with Google for the push notifications (hello Proton?!) and that should be a fundamental requirement. For just email, it is fantastic and for privacy it is the best, period… if you are OK with the lack of support on IMAP and POP3 protocols that is; They should do some bridge like Proton does and I would put in top among all in a instant.

Other privacy oriented providers can be okay since they have a low profile and less targeted by 3rd actors, but at the same time also less prone to keep with security updates. It is sad, but I would not use in a daily basics. Same with self-hosting, free or non-free, don't! As mentioned, it is very complicated not only from a security concern but also many email will get lost in the void by picky providers like Gmail.

On the concerns of the change of political colors in Germany, first regarding privacy, you are more at the wimps of the people of the provider than the leader of the time. I don’t really see any country as safe today, not a single one! Now, a right owner is someone like Lavabit’s that choose to close shop rather than given the SSL keys to the US authorities, that is why trust is so critical; I would rather use a provider based in the US with the right owner, than one in Switzerland with one I don’t know much about. Your only protections are the technology and the owner!

Once said that, unless you are a high targeted individual, maybe you should not only focus on privacy, besides, sometimes, the best defense is to blend-in among the no-so-top-notch-privacy providers. In any case, I trust the most Tuta, but recommend Mailbox for most people and Proton to those a bit concerned about normal privacy. I think there is room for a new player here that covers all the shortcomings, but it is not here yet.

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[–] Libb@piefed.social 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

but truly private AND secure is a must.

Remember that email is none of that, unless both people use encryption.

Tuta and Proton both are encrypted, which is great, but the moment you exchange with someone that is not using encryption (aka, the vast majority of people), they're not anymore.

I always considered email like sending a good old postcard: something anyone could read without being invited, just by looking at it.

so I can have control

Be it Tuta or Proton, or any other commercial offering, you won't have real control without owning your actual domain name. Owning it means you can change email provider if/when you wand (and if you don't feel like using your own).

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How can I own my domain name?

[–] Libb@piefed.social 2 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago) (1 children)

Your purchase it from some registrar.

I'm from France so it probably won't be the same as you, it will cost you a small yearly fee. Like, for example I do own the domain 'thefoolwithapen.com' (my blog) among a few other domain names. So I can use libb@thefoolwith... with either my own email/hosting or most third-party provider, I don't have ti use their own name/domain. Sorry for the lack of specificity in my explanations, I'm everything but an expert ;)

Edit: clarifications

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)

Okay so whenever I buy a domain name, I now can use that domain name on any emai regardless of the email provider (google, proton, etc.) Can the domain name be taken away from me somehow?

[–] Libb@piefed.social 1 points 12 minutes ago
  1. Depends the email provider, I 'm not sure (quite certain they're not) all are offering that.
  2. Yes. The moment you stop paying as it will most likely be sold for cheap. One of the oldest domain I owned (from the 90s) and got rid of a few years ago is now used by someone hosting porn... Which is kinda funny. Maybe one can also lose it in a trial? But that would be very specific... Say, you own StarWarsSucksHard.com you won't probably own it for long the moment Disney's armies of lawyers focus their attention on you ;)
[–] nixfreak@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly use whatever you want and use pgp, or gnpg. Encrypt all your messages using ecc.

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Okay now i need you to explain how to do any of that, and what each one is for

[–] nixfreak@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Alright, I’ll write something up and post it.

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

You mind tagging me?

[–] whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago

Everyone telling you email isn’t private is right.

Don’t use it for things you don’t want to be public knowledge.

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

This might be an unpopular opinion in this community, but here it goes.

Privacy doesnt really exist with email. Yes, Proton does support encryption, but nobody but Proton uses it. When your bank sends you an email, its plain text, and its pretty much guaranteed its sent from an outlook or gmail server. If they want your data they can get it whether youve got proton or not.

As for me - I actually still use my universities email. Its on outlook, but, hardly anything is sent to it, it never gets flagged as spam, and it doesnt cost me anything and will hopefully be there forever.

[–] StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, as long as it's not Google, it works. The real trick is to find a good email aliasing service (I use Addy.io) so when email are exposed in a data breach you can just turn it off and avoid spam. Also good for when your trying different emails out because you just have to update what the aliases send to.

[–] sakuraba@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Came to say the same, the only benefit I see in proton and other providers is not having my email monitored by Google but that's it

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Google alone is enough reason for me haha

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 3 points 11 hours ago

Nah that's a pretty common (and correct) take. Never email something you wouldn't want to see come up in a court case. Secure email can limit exposure somewhat though. Unless it's the government it may be impossible or at least harder to put things together about you from other email addresses. At the very least every email is not being scanned by Gemini and used to train it. And the more people that use privacy respecting email the more private it is.

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Never actually thought of it that way, like how no matter what you do, since most of your family uses META, you're indirectly hit by the crossfire

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Right ya. You're best bet if you want to achieve privacy is to pretty much stop using email as much as possible. Proton is fine, and it is better than say using outlook or gmail, but barely.

[–] SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

Privacy doesn't really exist in what way? In a sense that the layperson should be concerned or just a person of interest in a diplomatic position?

[–] voxel@feddit.uk 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

TL;DR: Stick with Protonmail. There is, based on what you told us, no reason for you to switch to another provider.

I wouldn't recommend Tuta at the time of writing, due the lack of OpenPGP (no, their own EE2E does not act as a solid replacement) and JMAP/IMAP support.

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Hmmm ? Has Proton introduced imap support ? I was going to migrate to them a few years ago until I realised that was missing. Not keen on getting locked into their proprietary app.

[–] elkien@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No it hasn't, but with the Proton Mail Bridge you can get close, as it creates a local IMAP server that you can use with any email client - it's far from ideal though and it has plenty of glitches

Thanks for the response, yeah that is better than nothing, but if OP hasn't migrated yet then better to choose a provider that isn't locking them into an apple-esque walled garden. If they decide to stop supporting the bridge then you're stuck.

I like proton but they make a few too many weird decisions. I mean imap has been around for a long time, why not use the open standard.

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Take it easy on me with the big boy terms haha, you mind explaining them? Except E2E, I know what end to end encryption is, tho idk if EE2E is another thing or just a typo by you

Another user said mailcow, thoughts?

[–] sakuraba@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think they meant E2EE (End-to-end encryption)

OpenPGP is an encryption standard

JMAP/IMAP iirc lets you use other clients like Thunderbird (you won't be able to use 3rd party clients with proton unless you pay for it so take that into account too)

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't PGP what they say to always encrypt any message you send with prior to sending it? Especially on Dread and DNM Bible, never understood how to actually use it though

[–] sakuraba@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

yeah it is used for encryption, in this case mails between proton users can be encrypted using OpenPGP

i recommend to research a bit yourself on these topics and your use case for privacy in this context. email is not private by design.

[–] danhab99@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago

I've kind of given up on the concept of email as a whole. Nobody emails anymore. Nobody in my family uses email, I've never had a friend who emails me, I'm the weirdo for asking for an email address so I can email you a calendar invite because I'm a weirdo for using the calendar..

Maybe it's just been my experience but does anyone actually use email? And if so what about everyone else's security?

[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Others have already said similar, but it depends on what you mean by "private" and "secure". Yes, proton is e2e but that only is true if you're emailing another proton user. And yeah, Proton can't read your emails, but as soon as you email someone else outside the ecosystem, it's as good as public.

I'm not saying thou shalt not use proton! But I had a subscription and cancelled. One part because the CEO vocally supported Trump and the doubled down when called out. Another part because I got tired of the proton ecosystem being inaccessible outside its own walled garden because of the e2e.

So I switched to Fastmail and couldn't be happier. Is it perfect, no, but what is? It works well, it's reasonably priced, they've been around forever, and I can use it with apps/programs outside of what they provide.

When it comes down to it, your email will never be truly private unless you only communicate with people who are just as concerned about privacy.

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Could you tell me why fastmail, like pros and cons

[–] ShutUpWesley@piefed.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

The real answer isn't don't use email for private communication. It's like asking what's the most private way to shout into a crowded room

[–] alibloke@feddit.uk 0 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Mailcow is great and is completely free

[–] sakuraba@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

this one looks cool for selfhosting

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Got thoughts on it?

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] alibloke@feddit.uk 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I self hosted email for years and it did take a fair bit of maintenance. Since moving to Mailcow all I have to do is keep it updated (subscribe to their telegram channel for updates) and that's it. It's never broken or needed maintenance other than that.

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Can you tell me about mailcow's pros and cona based on your experience?