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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.radio/post/13183659
The DNC doesn't want to rule. They want to profit off the corruption, while they bitch and moan about it. The only thing that can save America is an independent, but Americans are too divided to ever see straight and leave their L/R silos.
The two party system will do that.
If only progressives were as good at voting in primaries as we are at snarky memes...
Ah yes, I should have voted in the primary we totally had for Kamala! Or that one right before that one that totally happened with just Biden on the ticket! That was clearly my bad. Maybe I'll have two choices next time and I'll vote extra hard, just for you.
Or in a state that's either too early or too late in the cycle for the dnc to care about when it comes to primary and cacuse results.
My state has our primaries in fucking AUGUST. Nobody gives a shit about us.
If progressives knew how to count votes manually, then we would be having a very different comment thread.
One cannot have a democracy where the results are announced and believed in blind faith. Which happens more than not
These sorts of conspiracies are so delightfully silly. You have to believe that there's one level of incompetent DNC leadership that has their emails leaked, loses in court but behind and above that is a secret cabal of highly competent DNC staff who also didn't have their emails hacked who also manage to coordinate and operate a massive set of electoral fraud across some 30 or 40 different states, all without a whiff of evidence all of which simultaneously either completely contradicts the exit polling OR also involves most major news outlets while never being leaked...
It's just an amazing example of wishful thinking, on the same level of plausibility as microchips in the vaccines.
If you go ahead and list all the safeguards and double checks of any computer voting of the state of your choice. I think if you try to do this in good faith you will quickly realize that there are many unknowns. Or you will realize you have to simply accept you are out of your depth of knowledge. This applies to red and blue states. In the end, you have to take it on faith things are proper.
The fact that one can count votes and in a way all can be satisfied about, like in the Uk or France, simply is ignored. Indeed, once someone has faith in the process, these details are not important.
And this is not just a few people in the thread here, who have strong faith in the computer voting, it’s a political wall that stops all progress.
completely contradicts the exit polling
National use of exit polling, by media companies, to predict federal races, stopped a few years ago because it was too inaccurate. However many do not know that.
Before that, there was a lot of talk about American exceptionalism and shy republican voters who were too embarrassed to admit they voted for the gop. A phenomenon that is not seen in other countries who also have similar parties.
This discussion went out of fashion when exit poll predictions stopped. Most people don’t even know what they are now.
You might look at any of the dozens dumb lawsuits filed by trump in the wake of the 2020 election...
Trump was very careful to make baseless accusations without proof and make things as ridiculous as possible.
His actions severely hurt the efforts in some states to remove election machines and replace them with hand counted ballots such as Virginia did.
Notice he did nothing constructive in his sabotage; he could have easily promoted more transparent vote counts. Instead he attacked mail in ballots, which are very reliably counted.
I was very much invested in promoting hand counted ballots during that time, so I saw the effects. It was very sad.
I’m not sure if you are aware, but most of the discrepancies were absolutely harming democratic races in senate, house and presidential general elections; and in the gop primaries.
Which is why I said, if progressives were able to see this as an issue, the gop would have never won control of the presidency or congress the last 10 years or more.
But it’s not much a discussion in politics
Honestly, like I said earlier, these conspiracy theories don't match up to basic common sense.
Now you're arguing that trump is actually in on this conspiracy but is sneaky enough to have never mentioned it etc.
It just gets mind boggling silly at this point.
Can't wait for them to push Gruesome Newsom on us and tell us to take it. I'll be honest, I'll probably abstain at that point, I'm not voting another fascist in.
Considering my state will go to conservatives no matter who I vote for, I'm just gonna keep voting third party for whoever the leftmost candidate I can find is that's at least write in eligible.
Pointing that out before the 2024 elections on lemmy caused many witch hunts and attacks from those amazed anyone could possibly consider not voting dem.
Evolution is a tricky concept -- all that incremental improvement.
Except a vote for newsom is also for what 5 steps backwards as he's fully on board for most of the GOP platform?
Incrementalism in politics moves rights, never left
Incrementally moving right isn't an improvement.
This would make a better point if the current administration wasn’t dismantling the government, stripping rights, and abducting people in the streets.
People may not want to hear this but not everyone is ready to replace the whole system at once and incremental progress is probably the best way to make gains. Revolutions don’t always end with a government based on the ideals that started them.
That's the joke. Charlie always tries to kick the football.
I think it misses the point that while previous rhetoric may have been overblown what we are seeing now is at a different level.
I don't think it misses that point because that context is irrelevant and outside the bounds of this meme. Charlie will try to kick the football. Progressives will vote for Democrats. Democrats will remain an institutionalist and incrementalist party. Corporate Donors will change their handjob gloves to match whatever party is in power.
Ah, might as well just give up then
You can do what you want but that is not the point of the comic.
Incrementalism is a tool of the fascist to prevent actual change. This results in incremental fascism, democrats have said for decades that progress takes time. Yet here we are having the same conversations about wages, income inequality, housing, and basic needs as they did 200 years ago.
I don’t think the current facists in charge are doing it incrementally. You don’t acknowledge any changes or improvements over the last 200 years due to incremental progressivism?
Slavery took a civil war but women’s rights, gay rights, minimum wage, social safety nets (granted not at the level they should be), etc. I’d argue there has been lots of progress. If anything, the last 10 years have shown that getting discouraged by imperfect progress and not voting (even for the lesser evil, who do sometimes surprise us) can lead to very quick backslides. We’ve literally lost rights and baked in harder obstacles to progress by not choosing the lesser evil when that is the only realistic choice. I’m discounting revolution there because again it doesn’t always end how it starts
Our current conditions were a result of small incremental changes.
I don’t think the current facists in charge are doing it incrementally.
Yeah. Funny how incrementalism isn't the only way to accomplish things. But it's a great way to not accomplish them.
Slavery took a civil war but women’s rights, gay rights, minimum wage, social safety nets (granted not at the level they should be), etc. I’d argue there has been lots of progress.
There has been progress. And incrementalists love to take credit for it because they have none of their own. Women's rights took a constitutional amendment, you can't creep up on those incrementally. Roe v. Wade was a court case. Also not incremental. Minimum wage was instituted as part of the New Deal. FDR was not an incrementalist. Same with social safety nets. Those were part of the New Deal and Great Society plans, which again, were not incrementalist. But the Clinton-era welfare "reform" that surrendered to the racist "welfare queens" rhetoric of the Reagan era was incrementalist.
If anything, the last 10 years have shown that getting discouraged by imperfect progress and not voting (even for the lesser evil, who do sometimes surprise us) can lead to very quick backslides.
Then the party shouldn't have stymied progress and called it "incrementalism".
We’ve literally lost rights and baked in harder obstacles to progress by not choosing the lesser evil when that is the only realistic choice.
We lost those rights because the party thought second worst was good enough to win.
I’m not sure what your definition of incrementalism is. A law passing or court ruling on a single issue is not but a reform of a law is?
My point was not defending some ill-defined “incrementalism” but to just say that all issues won’t get addressed at once. Look at the ACA, watered down and not enough but it did get millions of people insurance. It took so much political capital to get it in that form and it still became a beating stick for the Right for decades. It’s a ad campaign against billionaires that’s needed for anything expanding the government.
People don’t want to vote for anyone who can’t move a mountain in less than 4 years, or in this case someone who can’t move a hundred mountains.
I’m not sure what your definition of incrementalism is.
It's what centrists call doing nothing while everything slides to the right. They pretend it's a virtue.
Look at the ACA, watered down and not enough but it did get millions of people insurance.
It was 15 years ago. How much longer are we gonna coast on a less generous version of a Heritage Foundation policy that manages to keep getting worse every year?
People don’t want to vote for anyone who can’t move a mountain in less than 4 years
I don't know about others, but I got pretty fucking jaded about democrats' claims that everything they do has to happen on a geologic time scale when they snapped to attention to give Netanyahu what he wanted immediately, and without the holy Parliamentarian's approval.
OP wants you to vote for pedophiles…
…because OP loves pedophiles. It’s why they voted, and they’re concerned the pedophiles won’t stay in power
Think of the children (for the pedophiles)
You seem to be projecting a LOT.
Oh look, it’s the Genocide Joe squad that got us into this fucking mess.