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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Death penalty is inhumane, uncivilized, primitive, barbaric, and provably ineffective in reducing crime rates. We have countless of studies on this.

So while I agree with the underlying sentiment that corruption should be fought effectively, I would not go as far as to promote the death penalty.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 10 hours ago

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 49 points 17 hours ago

That is just standard practice in corrupt autocracies. The leadership of China is as corrupt, but if you fall out with them, they will accuse you of corruption. As long as you stay on good terms with the rest of the corrupt ruling elite, your corruption isn't corruption. Same as how it works in Russia.

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

So, PRC want to be sure the guy won't talk about anything... with anybody... for ever; mmmh, I wonder why...

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago

I'm guessing that this is not an effort to curb corruption, rather a message to pay it upwards or face consequences. He is probably just a victim of his own hubris.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Then again, it took many years and a truly insane amount of money until the government either noticed or started to care. Can't really see this happening in the first place without at least some willful ignorance being involved from those higher up.

[–] Prikkeres@feddit.nl 29 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Not to rain on anyone’s parade but China’s been punishing corrupt politicians for decades but it apparently doesn’t really seem to help much…

[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

It's the same everywhere. If it's illegal to do crime and people go to jail why is there still crime.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

So don't bother holding them accountable at all? Why punish crime if it doesn't bring an end to crime?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Well at least for that corrupt politician, it seems like he'll have a hard time doing any future grifts

[–] DirtSona@feddit.org 22 points 21 hours ago

On December 3, the Intermediate People's Court of Guangzhou sentenced him to life in prison for accepting bribes. Qi was also stripped of all of his assets and permanently deprived of his political rights. Under Chinese law, Qi will likely also have to perform prison labor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Qi_(politician%2C_born_1961)

Seems like the death sentence is not correct.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 21 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

If the US executed all the corrupt politicians and officials, would the US have any eligible officials left at this point?

[–] auntieclokwise@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like a good plan. Start over with a new batch

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Until they all become corrupt again and they all get put to death

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago

oh well, we can do that then

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

We obviously need a constitutional convention and reforms after the first round of arrests. We need to reform the system so it never gets this corrupt again or at least in the next couple of generations. Revolution is a part of holding your country to account

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 3 points 18 hours ago

Most definitely. Everyone needs to take a leaf from the French people’s book

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 20 hours ago

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of tyrants."

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Is no one gonna ask how the fuck one keeps 36.5 tons of anything in "apartments"? What. thafuq.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 16 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

People from the cities are banned from buying property in the countryside, and people from the countryside can’t afford city property (banks are also banned from owning country property hence no mortgages). Until recently, property was the only asset people were allowed to inherit, so there was a massive construction boom.

That’s all collapsed so you have a stagnant market and millions of unoccupied or half-finished buildings, often of such poor quality they’re falling apart.

Plenty of spaces to hide tons of money.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Thaaaat's why there is so much under utilization of buildings!!

I watch a few travel vloggers, often in China, and there are always so many huge buildings that are just abandoned or extremely under utilized, like a 15 story hotel with several unfinished, unused, floors, or large complexes with no people.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago

Sounds like where the US is heading, NGL. I'm sorry if you're stuck dealing with that IRL. 🙇🏼‍♂️

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago

It was because he didn't kick up the proper amount upstairs.

[–] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 78 points 1 day ago (21 children)

I appreciate their sentiment but no govt should be allowed to murder its citizens

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 31 minutes ago

It should be limited to crimes committed while in public service.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

Counter point - many of greatest society failures were due to insufficient isolation of bad actors. Hitler failed his first coup attempt and came back after 5 years in prison - very few people remember this.

So some form of banishment is required and obviously death is the easiest, full-proof option so this is not a black/white issue as you make it out to be.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

no govt should be allowed to murder its citizens

The headline is less sever that it looks at a glance.

In the Chinese legal system, a death sentence with a suspended sentence usually means that in the absence of new crimes, the sentence can be commuted to life imprisonment.

That said, it's the age-old is/ought problem of governance. Would love to see China abolish the death penalty. But I'm glad to see someone complicit in social murder through the powers of the state is not held to a lower standard than a peer who committed grievous harm to his neighbors through more direct methods.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Lets say a real person, who is doing very well in a job that contributes to society, can take home 150k a year. And lets say they work from 18 to 65, that's about a $7M career over 50-ish years.

The crook in OPs post stole more than 440 lifetimes of wealth. Even if he were to be put to work paying off that debt in the highest paying position which productively aids society (no lawyering, no managing, no marketing, no internet fame bs) it wold take him over 440 LIFETIMES to pay it off.

You can sentence him to 18,000 years of prison but he will never receive even 0.5% of that punishment.

[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

So i take it its a no for rehab over punishment?

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

A thief can be rehabilitated, a murderer can be rehabilitated, those people hurt others by the ones and tens and maybe even hundreds. A billionaire commits crimes on a scale that rivals war.

The story in OPs post is surprisingly accurate and the man did have 40B USD from bribes and other illegal business. Give then population (3M) and average income (17K USD) of Haikou he stole the equivalent of more than a year's wages from all 3 million residence. There is no way he was ignorant of the scale of his crime and there is no way to ever make him feel the 3 million working years of value that he stole from the people.

There is no rehabilitation there, punishment as a deterrent to other industrial scale criminals is all that can happen.

[–] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (26 children)

The crime does not matter. The reason the death penalty should be abolished everywhere is to spare the innocent a wrongful execution. It can never be 100% accurate 100% of the time so it should not be allowed at all.

The guilty can rot in prison. The innocent should never be executed.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 7 points 18 hours ago

Even beyond the fact that they may execute the innocent it's still wrong. Let's say a world exists where the government has a 100% accuracy rate. The issue is that by giving them the right to execute their own citizens and the power to make laws it then allows them the ability to create laws designed to kill specific people.

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[–] Klear@quokk.au 4 points 20 hours ago

Why are you talking about punishment when we're discussiong justice?

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[–] amlor@piefed.social 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In Russia this (the confiscation and sentence, not the execution part) happens when somebody becomes out of favor, not because all the stolen wealth was suddenly discovered. Everybody in the government is in on it and doesn't stop it until ordered from the top. That's just how mafia works.

[–] joostjakob@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Exactly. You can't be that corrupt for that long without higher-ups knowing about it.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 0 points 10 hours ago

bUt aT wHaT cOsT?

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