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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, "trust me bro" is not a valid argument.
She's right -- surgery doesn't change gender.
It only helps one's body conform to the gender they already are. Getting surgery doesn't turn a man into a woman (or vice versa). They were already a woman, and the surgery just helps them look and feel like it. A trans woman doesn't become a woman when she gets a surgery -- she becomes a woman when she realizes she's trans (or, rather, realizing she's trans reveals to her that she was always a woman).
Exactly.
Brainwiring/gender is above-the-neck, & sex is below-the-waist gonads.
They are distinct.
The gaslighters who insist that one's "identity" overrides one's body, are gaslighting.
Having people get the wrong medical-treatment because their gender-identity is all that is shown on their medical-chart, so they're being treated for male problems, while pregnant..
that whole category of problem is created by the falseness/artifice of "identity is the only reality" ideology/religion.
BOTH need to be identified, & BOTH have validity.
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You could have just Googled this if you just wanted an answer...
If anyone doesn't want to give Reddit any kind of traffic, the answer is this:
There have been studies done on dead transgender people that demonstrate that trans people have differing brain structures; a trans woman's brain will have many (but not all) of the features that a cisgender woman's brain has. The same goes for trans men.
source: https://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/131/12/3132.full
There is no such evidence for transracial people as that's not really a thing. Race is much more of an artificial concept than gender, and has little biological basis. Black people are not of a different race than white people, they simply have different genetic traits that are well within the boundary for counting as the same species.
race as a social construct: http://www.jstor.org/stable/188702?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Brain regions can be considered masculinized or feminized depending on their response to sex hormones (look up the preoptic area for a well-studied example of this); there's no such thing as a 'race hormone' that can 'blacken' or 'whiten' brain regions.
estrogen modulates neuronal movements within the developing preoptic area/anterior hypothalamus: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2295210/
Not that anyone who takes this seriously would care, but sex change surgery doesn't change gender, it changes anatomy. A person is already the gender they are before or after any medical interventions
Wow. Racist AND transphobic. Hilarious.
Race and gender continually being used as a straw man while the elites advance their anti democratic agenda against all of us is the most ridiculous thing I’ve had to witness in this timeline.
I will never understand why someone else's gender identity is any of their concern
My hot take: I'd be fine with people being transracial; I'm not here to make other people jump through the performance of cultural litmus tests.
Disingenuous people will be punished by validation and the continued performance of their own lies. Don't reward their attention seeking behaviors and persecution fetishes with negative attention and persecution.
tl;dr you gotta throw them off their rhythm.
Ah yes, the gender change surgery.
Don't know her but ... She got it?
The surgery is just like the make-up, only adjusting what's there underneath all along! Why should a woman be less of a woman just because she has an unwanted appendix between the legs?
And because this might be too subtle: trans X are X, before any surgery as well as after. The identification is the true self, not what some role of dice or genes made one look like at birth.
I'm a bit afraid that this isn't the intended message though and I'm too optimistic.
Something in a similar vein for her specifically to consider:
Changing your last name to Bolsonaro does not make you related to the president of Brazil.
So
Race is what we call a social construct. There isn't anything substantial physically separating white people from black people or anything else. Really it's a matter of culture and shared history. There are a couple of things that make somebody actually part of that group.
How they see themselves. Do they recognize themselves as a part of this group?
How society sees them. Would society recognize them as part of that group? This includes their history and ancestry as well as how society treats them based off of their looks and culture
I can't say for 100% certainty that she doesn't see herself as black, but I still am 99% sure. Her own actions are incredibly unserious and I don't think she has any real connections with the history or ancestry of Brazilian black people. She's never had to live as that class of people either.
Of course this is a very broad oversimplification. I'm not black but I am part of a different minority
Well I missed the gender part.
Gender is likewise a social construct. Every human, male or female could theoretically develop into either phenotype regardless of physical characteristics that they eventually do develop. All of that is thrown out the window though when you examine our roles in society. We could have the choice of not distinguishing between us at all. Our thoughts and actions on gender have changed substantially over the past few hundred years. Between clothes and fashion and family structures, how we look at gender changes.
I self-identify as a woman. I am transgender too, but some transgender women don't actually identify as transgender if they transitioned really young. Society at large would not treat these people as "transgender women" and merely women
How society treats me is a bit more up in the air though. Many people do recognize me as a woman. I have the same social role as a single woman generally has. I wear women's clothes, I have women's hobbies, I talk, I act, and other people treat me like a woman. I've even experienced misogyny, as people will talk to my male colleagues and ignore me completely. However, some people tend to just stay away from me and pretend I don't exist. They'd say that they were gay for liking me. But this is because I'm part of a different minority, being transgender rather than because I am a woman
Transgender women are indeed women. They will experience the same joys and the same struggles as women do. But of course they're still transgender and they will experience the same struggles as every transgender person does.
wear women's clothes, I have women's hobbies
What are women's hobbies actually? My wife really likes ice hockey, is that a women hobby? Men hobby? What I mean by this is, that for the past several decades we fought for that there are no "men things" and no "women things". No gender norms, do whatever makes you happy. And now I'm like wondering where we took the wrong turn that we're back to puting things into the little sex/gender boxes.
I'm sorry, this isn't targeted at you personally, I'm just thinking out loud about the society in general
What an ugly person.
Get home late from an argument you couldn't win?
Try blackface!
You certainly won't regret trying blackface to win an argument.
Considering gender is a social construct and pigmentation isn’t…
Pigmentation doesn't determine your race though
Race is made up nonsense by racists to justify discrimination.
If pigmentation isn’t race, what is race?
Pigmentation isn't race, if it were then someone with Albinism would be a different race to their same-race-parents.
Even if you ignore the transphobic content, the question is just batshit crazy for any X and Y you want to substitute. Cosmetics vs surgery have very different effects and permanency.
“If I wear a blindfold I’m not permanently blind but you expect me to believe that surgically removing my eyes would blind me?” Yes, idiot.
Of course it doesn't change gender!
It changes sex, that is why it is called a "sex change".
I love clowns.
She can be black if she wants to be. Same way a person can be the gender they feel most comfortable being. It none of anybody else's business as it doesn't affect them.
Trying to control what others do, on the other hand... is deplorable.
How can she compare visible appearance with a change of physical characteristics of a body? Makeup is a temporary change of your appearance. Gender operation is a relatevly permanent change of properties of your body. These are not equal things.
"visible appearance"
"physical characteristics"
I'm sorry, what's the difference?
"relatevly permanent"
This is an oxymoron I think, it's either permanent or it's not, your need to apply the caveat shows that this too is temporary, can be reversed that they are in fact equal things.
I'm happy to be shown I'm wrong, I'm just having trouble parsing your argument.
Yeah, sorry. This happens sometimes when you know multiple languages and your brain hasn't switched from thinking on other language before you write in English. What I have meant, is that makeup is very easy to apply and remove. It doesn't change your body functions and abilities. Surgery is much harder to undo( if even possible) and it changes your body actually. So it is not correct from my point of view to compare temporal look with a long-term body change, moreover to use a racial analogy for this.
While she very likely said this in a mean spirited way, I think it's a very good analogy.
There is no race on your ID card because it would be stupid (and very dangerous as it can and would be misused) then why is there gender? If a person identifies as "black" (whatever the hell that means, are they African? African American? European? South Indian? Etc. - you can easily be born with dark skin on pretty much any place on earth for whatever reason) then so be it, they may have valid reasons to feel a connection with a particular culture or ancestry. Why should a person not be able to identify as "male" or "female" without it massively affecting their lives?
They are all social constructs anyways, people should be free to identify however they want without needing to declare it to the government, in my opinion.