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high speed rail saves money (quokk.au)

submitted 2 hours ago by Deceptichum@quokk.au to c/flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago)

I think people need to start defining what they mean with "high speed rail", because in Europe the high speed rail connections between larger cities are about the only ones profitable, so much so that it goes at the expense of regional medium speed rail connections. In addition the construction of the rail lines that allow to go faster than 200km/h are highly profitable as well and the money spend on that is missing for the maintenance of the normal speed regional rail links.

But I acknoledge that in many places regional rail that goes between 100 and 200 km/h is considered high speed rail.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Neoliberals: Correct. That's why the only possible way to have HSR is if you give the railroads infinite land to develop and interest free loans. Then if you're lucky, they'll subsidize the unprofitable railroads by renting out the most expensive land in the city as exorbitant rates! Or maybe they'll cut rail service and raise ticket prices anyway! Shame there's no alternative.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

A nice private-public partnership, with a contract guaranteeing profits for the private investors and the public pays for it through taxes.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

What they're really saying is "I'm an ignorant dipshit who doesn't understand how subsidized highways are."

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Rail produces externalised goods, the same way that not having rail, i.e. suburbia + truck traffic gridlock, is producing externalised costs and opportunity costs. Short term thinking, colloquially called "being stupid" and incentivised by capital-centric political economy, doesn't even recognise the concept of externalised good: "but I'm paying for people I don't like" - first-day-in-society people complaining like 12 year olds that they have to do the dishes sometimes.

[–] Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Butt might be on to something here.

[–] voxthefox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

Except it does, they just dont have the ability to zoom far enough out. HSR vastly increases your potential labor pool, which applies downward pressure on wages which allows you to save on expenses.