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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 13 hours ago

This is two conservative wonks pre-gaming an austerity push by proclaiming how bad things are before presenting their false dilemma. Ideally they want to take more benefits away and tax the non-rich even harder.

[–] Ashrakal@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

Good for them, I guess. Petrodollar won’t last forever, and it shows.

I wonder how prices of international goods usually valued in USD would fare if USD could become much cheaper than EUR, etc.

Media willfully ignored it. Fify

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

turns out empires aren't forever

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s just the usual trash from the usual suspects. It would be cool if this were a sign of the empire in decline, but it’s really not.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The thing is that there is a real consequence within the framework of the system. While they can issue infinite currency, the two problems they have are inflation and debt payments. Inflation devalues the currency, while higher debt payments mean that there's less operational budget available. So, end result ends up being less money available for productive purposes as more and more of the budget ends up being allocated towards interest.

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

less operational budget available

For what? Did you read the article? They care about:

  • Federal employees
  • Medicare
  • Social Security
  • Comparing government budgets to household budgets

Seriously? These are the “productive” purposes that are problematic?

If these cranks actually cared about debt, they’d be proposing taxes on the rich and ending the MIC. The article is complete shit and doesn’t actually present any material change in the US debt posture or their ability to “pay” interest on their debt level.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I did read the article, but I also understand other factors that the article doesn't talk about. So, I can use that broader understanding to contextualize what high levels of debt mean in practice.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

The debt, and payments on interest, might cause more inflationary pressure than eliminating it would cause.

I think they could just print 39 trillion dollar coins and instantly pay off the debt.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

The key context is how the system actually works though. The government doesn’t just print cash and hand it out. Typically, they issue Treasury bonds instead with the understanding that the government will pay back later with interest. These bonds are then bought up by pension funds, foreign governments, big financial institutions, etc.

When the government prints too much money or issues too many bonds, the bond holders start getting awful nervous about their investment. They wonder if the dollars they get back in ten years will be worth the paper they’re printed on. So they demand a higher yield to cover the risk. It’s not unlike a credit card company jacking up your rate when you miss a payment.

Rising bond yields, in turn, make the government’s interest payments go up. Bigger and bigger checks need to be paid to the people who lent the money, which reduces the operational budget. Today, that sum is sitting at something like a trillion dollars a year. It’s money that’s just flowing out of the treasury and straight into the accounts of bondholders.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

The recent historical money printing (bonds have to be repaid, and not technically printing) is QE = Quantitative Easing. The Fed makes up money, and uses it to buy real bonds, under the theoretical possible future of reselling the bonds later. It gives the interest paid on those bonds back to the treasury. While the activity is absurd, it tends to inflate bond prices (lower interest rates) because easy money is to buy bonds before Fed buys them back from you.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

This seems like an entirely self-created problem by designing a system where the government doesn't just print cash.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 14 hours ago

Of course, but it works in the interest of the oligarchs, so here we are.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

I imagine a system where the government just prints cash, would have a whole slew of other problems and issues, and would likely be less stable/viable than the current mess. The current approach has flaws, but if managed properly, remains viable for a long time -- most of the flaws that become existential threats, only show up after years of neglect or willful corruption, such as in the USA.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I wish I could read the full article. I’m super surprised that fortune put out that kind of statement?

Or is this market manipulation, of shots about to crash does everyone sell and then the richos buy everything at rock bottom? I thought fortune was all mmhmm capitalism money glory to the empire?

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can see it just fine, but here’s an archive link if you really want to read unfounded debt fearmongering https://archive.ph/9Gtaw

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yikes you weren’t kidding. That article is trash ass.

Ohhh nooo the debts! Ohhh nooo hard decisions! Ohhhh nooo if the gdp doesn’t grow and spending increases….! Insolvent!

Buy some fucking everclear for solvent! Idk, money is fake can we take care of people???

I hate this

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Money printer goes brrrr, so long as it’s to fund genocide.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But like…. What if we didn’t???! :( ugh. It’s so depressing.

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then the commies would win. Those authoritarian assholes want to end oppression and improve the global standard of living. Just imagine how much worse things would be for billionaires if the global south couldn’t be exploited.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh noooo…. Not the commies…. No ooo don’t … stop…..

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

doggirl-sweat They tricked me, they were all like “don’t you just really hate capitalism?” And I’m just like doggirl-tears and next thing you know they’re telling me they have better emojis than anyone and how can you possibly resist that? Next thing you know, they’ve convinced me that a dictatorship of the proletariat would be pretty cool doggirl-smart

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmm, maybe my app keeps cookies and it’s a ‘you’ve reached you free likit’? Thanks though!

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Maybe it’s because I have an ad blocker. It’s an absolutely useless piece of drivel, though.

[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Conservative debtslop