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[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank God someone finally pointed out the hypocrisy of MAGA.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they're beyond hypocrisy.

They are at war with truth, reality, and civility. These things are only important if they are currently working in their favor. Acting in bad faith seems to be their default. All that matters is that they get their way. The ends always justify the means unless it looks like something might hinder their ability to get their way in the future... and they are usually confident that they'll find a workaround later and do that thing anyway.

Is there even a word for such brazen, naked duplicity?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

Is there even a word for such brazen, naked duplicity?

Fascism.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Idk why people keep thinking that pointing out this "hypocrisy" is clever. The current government is operating from an exceptionalist standpoint. Many people believe America is anointed by God, the agent of good and right. Others simply believe in the law of self-interest.

Either way, (I can feel the downvotes coming now), this isn't really hypocritical behavior by any means. This is like criticizing a sports team: "Wait, so it's good for YOU to get the ball in the basket, but it's bad for THEM to get the ball in the basket?". The people who approve of America's behaviour do not see other countries and people as being on the same team, and while that may be stupid, it isn't hypocritical. Imagine someone saying this about you with some instsnce of yourself being self-interested.

"Oh, so when you get a promotion it's a reason to party, but when that lying asshole in your department gets the promotion instead of you, now suddenly you feel upset? Hypocrite!"

That's not hypocrisy. That's just you believing that you deserve the promotion and believing that the other guy doesn't. Now, if you don't actually deserve the promotion, that still makes you wrong, but not via hypocrisy.

Its important to understand this distinction because all these "hypocrisy" call outs from the left ring so hollow even to many people on the left, and they certainly won't wake up or bother anyone on the right, because they're fundamentally missing the point.

The problem isn't that America coherently pursued its interests by wanting a passage opened for it in one place, and pursues its interests by wanting a passage closed in another place.... The problem is that those things are not actually in America's interests, or that they are selfish and disregard other innocent people, etc.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is like criticizing a sports team: “Wait, so it’s good for YOU to get the ball in the basket, but it’s bad for THEM to get the ball in the basket?”.

This is an extremely Trump-like view, that foreign policy is a zero-sum game with a winner and a loser, and the object is to win.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's a distinctly American view. Other countries do look at making deals where the benefit is mutual.

Our foreign policy, specifically over the last 40 years, has been vulgarly in service to the Epstein Class and their business interests, and we saw this backed up in Jeff's own emails. It was a feature of both our wars and the manner in which we wielded soft power. The only real difference here is tactics and presentation, and if Donald were willing to make nice speeches like his predecessors, people would care significantly less, I think.

That said, there is some legit hypocrisy here. In his first term, Donald did distinguish himself in disentangling the US from several foreign wars and his reticence to start others. (Most notably Syria and Afghanistan.) He also campaigned on doing so again, even beginning office by establishing a ceasefire in Gaza.

But then he needed people to stop asking questions about his likely pedophilia.

100% agree on the social media posts though. No one gives a shit about the supposed hypocrisy, on the left or the right. Hell, they didn't call the last guy Genocide Joe for no reason.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All true but highlighting the hypocrisy is useful in changing changeable minds. I do believe that the unchangeable mind are a large minority. I think there's a lot of people who believe what they do because they've never heard anything but exceptionalist propaganda since birth.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My problem with this is that I think a lot of the changeable minds that are on the fence will recognize how it isn't really hypocritical, and so this misses the point and just makes it look like a stupid complaint. Because indeed, there isn't hypocrisy going on here. The mentality is wrong for other reasons, but not because of hypocrisy. So when it comes to changeable minds, I feel like it's better to put forward solid reasoning rather than merely sophistic reasoning - as the second kind is usually only useful for preaching to a choir who is willing to overlook logical flaws.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

I understand. Can you give me an example of a true line of reasoning? Honest, good faith question, in case I learn something I can use. :D

If too much work, don't worry about it.

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[–] ppue@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But the post talks about "fair" vs. "unfair" not "good" vs "bad". And if you want to say an Action is fair for us but unfair for them, you would need additional rules to distinguish between the Actions in respect to the Actors. Otherwise, it would indeed be hypocrisy. (Not that it matters too much, this is not sports.)

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Remember, right-wingers use words differently. They use "unfair" the same way my toddler uses it. In this case "unfair" means "I don't like that and I use a word that makes it sound like that's not just my opinion".

Fairness and mutual benefit are a specific trait of a left-wing world-view. If you accept that everyone should have the same, fair chances and that working together brings mutual benefit, that already puts you squarely into a left-wing position.

The main right-wing world view on the other hand is self-centred. "I am the person who is most important to me. If I don't benefit, I'm out."

This goes through all parts of left/right views and politics. On the left, people are ok with social monetary transfers, even if it might harm their bottom line, because they think it's fair that poor people can afford to live. On the right, people are envious of people receiving benefits. On the left, people are against billionaires, because they take money from poor people to enrich themselves. On the right, people worship billionaires because they want to be like them. On the left people are for asylum, because they think it's only fair to provide people with a safe place to live. On the right people are against asylum, because they think asylum seekers will take money from them.

Because of that, "fair" and "unfair" mean different things on the left and the right. A left-winger who has a high salary might say "It's unfair, that I earn so much and the person who makes my food doesn't. Let's raise minimum wages." A right-winger might say "It's unfair to raise minimum wages, because the guy who makes my food could have just gone to university like me, and increasing the minimum wage means my burgers won't be as cheap as they are now."

Left-wingers see fairness as an universal standard, that has to be applied to everyone even to their own detriment. Right-wingers see fairness as a way for them to increase the share they are getting.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Fair points all around.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

reminds me of a discussion I had on Reddit, they said that houtties blocking traffic to/from Israel was inhumane, as some cargo included food and medicine...

but he had absolutely no comment on Israel's decades long blockade on Gaza that was causing a mass starvation.

I really hope those redditors stay there

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Reddit is a cesspit of Zionists

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

got banned a few times for supporting Palestine.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Same. Fuck Reddit and fuck Zionism.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump was born with seven silver spoons in his mouth. He's never had to worry about money, or problems he himself didn't generate, in his entire existence.

To him, "fair" just means getting everything he wants despite his many idiotic decisions.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

He uses the word "unfair" exactly the same way a toddler would.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

It gets better:

Kharg island, that place we bombed, to soften up for a Marine invasion?

Not even visible in that image.

Because its further up north, practically all the way up the Gulf, to Iraq.

So... we're gonna... do an ambibious invasion... that requires the amphib landers... to go through the Strait of Hormuz...

Which is the thing that we currently cannot secure to the point of being able to guarantee safe passage through.

...

It is such a ludicrously stupid plan that if it were anyone but Trump and Hegseth in charge, I would say it is a laughably obvious false attack / psyop diversion.

But, they are in charge, so... it might essentially be an intentional Gallipoli, to serve as a rallying cry, after a bunch of Marines get killed.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They'll bully countries into letting them cross over from the other side.

Let us use your country to launch attacks or we'll cripple you economically.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

We might stage the parts of the 82nd Airborne in ... Kuwait?

Apparently a good deal of them have been moving out, lately.

... And use the MEUs somewhere else?

Invade 'Baluchistan'?

I dunno, seems like a bad idea, to do an airborne assault, when Iran seems to be capable of hitting F35s, which are signifcantly harder to spot than a C-130.

But the MEUs... you'd still have to sail the ships up through the strait.

You're not airlift an amphib pocket carrier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America-class_amphibious_assault_ship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Boxer_(LHD-4)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Tripoli_(LHA-7)

They basically have a big door in the back that can open and do a controlled partial flooding of an infernal dock, that the actual amphib assault IFVs and/or hovercraft launch out of.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It probably got suggested in an off-handed comment by someone and since nobody in the Trump regime has ever looked at a map, it was hailed as a grand idea.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

trump took the hypocritic oath.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Always do only harm

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, as long as it's America's doing the blocking everything is legit.

[–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We are way beyond the point where it makes sense to call them out on hypocrisy.

[–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

Oh wait I'm like the tenth person with this comment. 🤡

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago

Now you're thinking with American Exceptionalism!

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 11 points 3 weeks ago

That's right, just like encouraging protesters in Iran to overthrow their government, while ordering ICE Apes to murder protesters in their own streets.

That's MAGA for you.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We just need to rename the Gulf of Oman to the Gulf of America. Problem solved.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly! One of them is done to us, and one of them is done by us. What more do you need to know! /s

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

People like Trump base their whole morality on the idea that it's only okay when they do it. Rules for thee and not for me.

I shouldn't have to explain why it's morally wrong to think that way but I will anyway. The categorical imperative. If you can't logically will it as a universal rule, you shouldn't do it. It's hypocrisy and only works if the world literally revolves around you. You should always remember that from the perspective of the next person, you're nobody, you're some random fuck. If another random fuck isn't allowed to do it, you have no right to do it either. Who the fuck are you? Self-centered morality is completely illogical. If you don't want others to do it to you, don't do it to others. If you murder people, you're saying you're okay with living in a world where people can murder and that means you can be murdered. Unless you're so stupidly self-centered you think it's okay to follow completely different rules than everyone else in the world.

[–] untorquer@quokk.au 5 points 3 weeks ago

Why doesn't Cuba just build a canal through Panama?

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

That is the reason European countries do not block Russian oil exports. There are sanctions and if there is any chance of stoping a ship in line with international law is being used. However it is not a full blockade.

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[–] shweddy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

You were only born 3 days ago

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Look out the Americans are resisting again, we got another riveting tweet.

[–] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Fair for me not fair for theee

[–] IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Who is saying this is unfair? People are really fighting ghosts here

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

America is the world police and that means everything they do is legal.

[–] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

So the US embargo against Cuba is evil. But I think it is actually legal, according to international law. Because it is not a "blockade", but instead just sanctioning the shit out of anybody who sells oil to Cuba. Which is evil, but legal under international law.

Again, legal is not the same as moral.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly, Citizen! Now repeat after us "Russia bad, Israel good!"

[–] brem@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

America has confusion

In the confusion, America uses BOMB COUNTRY on self

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