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What those in authority don't want to tell us is that this is exactly what they expect in war. They want our soldiers to be so horrific that the other side quits. That's the goal of EVERY leader who starts a war. Any hand-wringing or regret later is just theater.
The only sin is letting the Civilians hear about it.
It's historically the only effective way to fight an insurgency and every military since ancient times knows it. Basically anytime you hear a modern military is enacting a "counter insurgency" it's either code word for doing death squads, or it's a tacit admission that they are out of ideas and have found themselves in an unwinnable quagmire.
The only way to defeat an insurgency is to do massive amounts of crimes against humanity......or avoid creating one in the first place.
Valid.
"You should know: [totally horrible political sexual abuse thing with absolutely no kind of warning on it at all]"
...no, I really, really didn't need to know that, thanks
-- Frost
The warning is implied, don't you realize that? If what happened at My Lai and the subsequent legal outcomes was justice, then that justice can be done to you as well.
The only reason why my Lai is known today is because one helicopter pilot had a conscience and ordered his door gunner to open fire on their own troops if they were to approach another group of Vietnamese civilians that he decided to protect
Had he not, likely nobody would have known what happened
And only because this has gone public, they had to award Hugh Thompson Jr. with the Distinguished Flying Cross. Otherwise military court.
| Sentence | Life imprisonment; commuted to three years' house arrest by President Richard Nixon |
Fucking hell Nixon …
“Protect the children and women” Except from my murderous rapist soldiers apparently.
Interesting how this narrative keeps getting used to justify our colonialism. “These are backwards savages and we are agents of progress and feminism” and then, in the course of the conflict, women and girls are raped, killed, and bombed while women’s rights are stonewalled or even stripped away back home
It is important to know this because when the military is turned on you, you should know they’ll obey. If you think there are enough that would so no, you’re wrong.
As a former member of the US military, please go fuck yourself.
I’ll accept that.
But it’s all about the crowd and momentum. The crowd gets hyped the crowd is gonna do some shit an individual won’t.
That and it’s beat into you to do what you’re told.
Shut up and follow orders.
you seriously think none of your fellow service members would listen to violent orders?
US soldiers also raped thousands of French women during WW2.
I've read about this too, and the US blamed the problem on black soldiers. Maybe that's something that deserves its own post?
it's sad when I don't even know which massacre is being discussed, or even which theater of war or era - there are just too many examples
That's just one village.
"According to the Information Bureau of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam (PRG), a shadow government formed by North Vietnam in 1969, between April 1968 and the end of 1970 American ground troops killed about 6,500 civilians in the course of twenty-one operations either on their own or alongside their allies. "
and from bombing:
"Estimates for the number of North Vietnamese civilian deaths resulting from U.S. bombing range from 30,000 to 65,000.[35][4] Higher estimates place the number of civilian deaths caused by American bombing of North Vietnam in Operation Rolling Thunder at 182,000.[36] American bombing in Cambodia is estimated to have killed between 30,000 and 150,000 civilians and combatants."
after learning of the massacre, he wrote in his memoir that it was "the conscious massacre of defenseless babies, children, mothers, and old men in a kind of diabolical slow-motion nightmare that went on for the better part of a day, with a cold-blooded break for lunch".[
yo what the fuck
For context “he” here is General Westmoreland.
We aren't the ones deciding to go to war and cause a generation of men to have their psychological well-being put through a wood chipper. We don't produce the propaganda that make men willing. We don't make poverty rampant so men get desperate enough to enlist.
It doesn't matter if we learn, plenty of us already know and it doesn't change anything. People like Trump, like Putin, like Netanyahoo, don't care about us or whoever ends up a victim of their ambitions. Putin and Netanyahoo know what their troops do and don't give a fuck, they might even use it to their advantage.
The problem isn't learning from the past, it's that psychopaths are good at gaining power. They know and simply don't care. If voters weren't such ignorant imbeciles, maybe they wouldn't vote for ppl like Trump, but they are, so here we are. If customers weren't such ignorant, weak willed cowards incapable of not buying the new toys, we wouldn't fund the people stealing all the property and making us poorer every generation. We are all victims of the decision-making prowess of the average voter, the average consumer.
I understand how you feel, but we actually do have the power to change our world. We need to first recognize that something needs to be done, build a popular consensus, network and build connections with like-minded people, and start a real movement for change.
Electoralism has not solved our problems in the past, and it won't do so in the future. At best, it is harm prevention, and at worst, it's a distraction from more effective efforts. I encourage people to vote for the candidates they feel best, but to be aware that it's not a real, long term solution. It's always just the best of two terrible candidates, both of whom ultimately serve the ruling class.
The problems we have did not start and will not end with Trump, they are in the fundamental roots of our society, and the road to change our society is a long and difficult one, but it is a journey we have to undertake. We are going to have to act if we want to live in a better world. Simply giving in to nihlism is not an option.
them vets are the main foment vector for what we now know as the white supremacy movement. not that the sentiment wasn't prevalent, but it was disjointed groups, churches, cults, klan, militias, prison gangs, etc., each pushing their own thing with only limited local reach.
the influx of large swaths of radicalized and trained MAMs was the igniter. all those power squabbling groups started coming together under one banner and they had a new tool - computers.
early on, they realized you can reach a whole lotta more folks with the new tech than the usual zines and the like. so they formed armored truck robbing gangs, and used the proceeds to buy home computers for establishing a network of BBS all over the country, pushing their shit to previously unreachable corners. I mean, if that's not a michael mann movie, I don't know what is...
for more, kathleen belew - bring the war home, available at anne's site or wherever you pirate your shit.