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That’s not a very good example, because good and bad people drink water, pretty much everyone does. Here is a list of communist states:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states_(communism)

I’d say that all of these sucked to live in. There are definitely states that treat their citizens better than these. If something always leads to death and suffering, maybe we can conclude that it’s a bad idea. Communists are not “associated with“ communism, they are communism.

Not the original commenter, but you seem to know a bit about communism (I'm currently looking into it)

Would you be up for a discussion on communism?

How can you equate “seize means of production” and “class warfare” (things in OP) with 40 hour work week (not in OP)? Are Stalin’s and Maos bloody dictatorships that terrorized, tortured and murdered millions, hundreds of millions of people, examples of progress of society? I can list a bunch of countries that are relatively free, and have high rates of literacy and strong worker protections, that are not communist (pretty much any developed democracy since the late 20th century). There is literally no communist country where people are acceptably free and don’t or didn’t want to get out to flee to one of the not communist countries. I hate the “its such a nice ideology just every single fucking time its followers came to power they had to torture and murder their fellow citizens to stay there”. You know, “seize means of production” in practice means that the government, or people who have friends in the government, go and take away other peoples shit: farmers, small businesses, house, a pig, anything they want, and all they need to do is call the victim a bourgeois or capitalist. This is how it worked in practice in every socialist/communist country that ever existed, lmk if you have a good counter example. And guess what: people get hurt in the process, lives are ruined.
Class warfare. Who the fuck wants to live in a society where everyone is a worker? Economically, a worker means someone who doesn’t own anything other than their future ability to work and earn wages. Every society that looks remotely liveable has a strong middle class: people own real estate, business, investments. These would all be crimes in communism. And now you can explain me that no, that’s not what’s so fucking cool about communism, I still get to keep my house and retirement fund, just have to work less and get more free stuff from the government because the only reason I wasn’t getting those things previously is that they didn’t realize how cool communism is. btw I don’t want to read a bit about the ideology, I was born in a communist country and have a pretty good idea what it was like for people living in that system. Edit: removed an offensive statement.