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How can you equate “seize means of production” and “class warfare” (things in OP) with 40 hour work week (not in OP)? Are Stalin’s and Maos bloody dictatorships that terrorized, tortured and murdered millions, hundreds of millions of people, examples of progress of society? I can list a bunch of countries that are relatively free, and have high rates of literacy and strong worker protections, that are not communist (pretty much any developed democracy since the late 20th century). There is literally no communist country where people are acceptably free and don’t or didn’t want to get out to flee to one of the not communist countries. I hate the “its such a nice ideology just every single fucking time its followers came to power they had to torture and murder their fellow citizens to stay there”. You know, “seize means of production” in practice means that the government, or people who have friends in the government, go and take away other peoples shit: farmers, small businesses, house, a pig, anything they want, and all they need to do is call the victim a bourgeois or capitalist. This is how it worked in practice in every socialist/communist country that ever existed, lmk if you have a good counter example. And guess what: people get hurt in the process, lives are ruined.
Class warfare. Who the fuck wants to live in a society where everyone is a worker? Economically, a worker means someone who doesn’t own anything other than their future ability to work and earn wages. Every society that looks remotely liveable has a strong middle class: people own real estate, business, investments. These would all be crimes in communism. And now you can explain me that no, that’s not what’s so fucking cool about communism, I still get to keep my house and retirement fund, just have to work less and get more free stuff from the government because the only reason I wasn’t getting those things previously is that they didn’t realize how cool communism is. btw I don’t want to read a bit about the ideology, I was born in a communist country and have a pretty good idea what it was like for people living in that system. Edit: removed an offensive statement.
You are making up the numbers, proving your ignorance.
And you're going to ignore the hundreds of millions of people enslaved and murdered by western capitalist colonial regimes, because you dont apply the same standards to socialism that you do to capitalism
Bullshit. The Soviet referendum in 1991 proves otherwise, the vast majority of people in socialism wanted to stay in socialism.
I'll stop reading because you're just repeating western anticommunist propaganda and you haven't made 1% of an effort to actually get informed on the topic. Suffice it to say that if ir weren't for socialism in Europe, the Nazis would have won.
Edit: I see that you were born in a post-Soviet country. You can thank communism for your country to exist as a country and not as a colonized Nazi settlement with you and your family murdered or enslaved :)
I think you got it the wrong way round.
"Seizing the means of production ", means that every worker is now also an owner and investors into the company he works at. If you like owning and investing, that should sound cool to you.
Democracy should be everywhere in our lives, not only once every 4 years, that's why democracy at the workplace is important.
The workers wouldn't get "free stuff from the state" they would get to decide what to do with the surplus value the created with their work. Do we have a bigger payout? Do we invest in more production, more research? All these decisions would be held democratically by the workers AND managers.
Btw did you know, that you are in a class war wether you want it or not? There is one class waging war on you, one class that has class solidarity, and that is the Epstein class, the billionaire class. They steal the value you create any chance that they get. And what do they do with it? Invest it into hospitals? No. In the best case scenario they hoard it. In the worst case scenario they use it to rape and kill.