Goth❌Industrial

My suggestion is to add a line to the sidebar saying that AI-generated music is discouraged here.

Thinking through some scenarios:

1. going to one of those GenAI music sites and giving the prompt: "make a song about ..." and posting the results here.
2. taking a human-made song (without GenAI) and using GenAI to make a music video
3. using GenAI to make an image for a human-made song (e.g. as an album cover)
4. a human authoring a song using tools that involve LLMs (or other types of deep neural networks), e.g. filters, noise reduction plugins, etc.

There's a separate consideration: a) is it obvious to the listener/viewer that GenAI was used or b) not.

Now my personal beliefs are: for case 4, those sorts of tools were used before and the new algorithms work better; GenAI adds ethical problems but the musician may not even know what algorithm is being used. For cases 2 and 3 I look down on them but I can see why a talented musician might use them, though I'd think they were wrong to do so and I might comment negatively about it.

Case 1 is the problematic one, right? Especially if it's not obvious that the musician is not real. For that reason in my posts I try to find some evidence that the musician is human and have recently been posting links to that evidence, and there've been a couple songs I didn't post bc I didn't find that evidence. But I don't think everybody should be required to investigate in that way.

Also, I don't believe that being pro-GenAI is an evil in the same way that bigotry (such as sexism, homophobia, racism, etc) is. But I will (probably?) downvote it and call it out if I see it. That's why, if others agree, I believe there should be a post discouraging it but not a prohibition.

DISCLAIMER: if the situation changes, e.g. we start getting spammed with numerous GenAI songs, then reconsider.

If they're open about the use, audio or visual I'd say let it stay. We had an artist post here that did some gen AI for a video. Video making not their expertise and unable to afford someone to write direct edit etc.

Even audio to an extent as long as it's openly identified as such. The tools are only going to get better, and not going away. Good honest creative use can still be enjoyed and useful. But it needs to be honest. I think a lot of the backlash is the disingenuousness and manipulation. Rightfully so. No one wants to be lied to or misled generally.

If someone wants to listen to and share AI music, that's fine, but they need to do it in a separate community.

I also vote for banning AI music from this sub.

As far as AI art goes, I'm also mostly against it, but don't really care if I see it here - it'd just make me personally skip the song alltogether, but if the music is real, then they should get a chance for visibility.

I also don't want to hear generated song, so I'd like to see a policy banning AI content. Mistakes will happen though and that's OK. I'd rather see some AI stuff posted and flagged rather than folks feeling afraid to post anything.

Generated artwork is a tricky one though. Industrial has always been subversive with using extreme imagery to expose things. I can sort of see how AI art can be undesirable but also fitting the aesthetic and concept. I guess if done right it could be OK, but that's really subjective. Slop art should be right out though.

If it's made by fascists, 100% ban.
If it's generated on solar punk devices, then it's technically gothcore witchcraft, and should be allowed.

I think most of us do not want to support fascists, and that is the primary concern. But I don't mind goth synthesized melodies: that's the entire point of our craft.

I like the AI art, I don't like the music. With that said, it's not easy to tell them apart sometimes. I will do my best to keep from posting AI music. I don't make that promise for the art.

Definitely against AI music. If someone accidentally posts something that was AI generated (& it later gets removed) that's fine and all, but submitting that type of music on purpose would be a bit much. Maybe have a separate community for AI slop music if people want that sort of thing.

I'm kind of neutral on AI artwork, to me it's not a big deal if the musician themselves did something like that to include with their music. But it does trigger a lot of people so if that also gets removed it's not a big deal & most legit musicians aren't going to publish music with associated AI art anyway.