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I am trying to understand why thinking with completely different moral standards when considering the foreign policy of countries is so normal for US Americans and Europeans? On second thought, these different standards also apply to domestic policy, don't they?

It's not just normal you are generally considered crazy if you apply the same standards to Israel or US Americans as to everyone else. Have you ever replaced Israel or US America with North Korea, Russia or China just as a test in news articles? Or, conversely, replaced North Korea, Russia or China with Israel or the US?

The double standards and extreme bias is so obvious that I find it very irritating that most people don't seem to realize it.

Imagine North Korea, Russia or China blowing up girls' elementary school? How would the media report it?

Original q: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1rhx681/why_is_thinking_with_double_standards_so_normal/

My answer is, who control the media is always right. Human right, justify works just if it serves interests of western world.

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[–] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

One word. Empire. Since ww2 and the fall of the USSR, the US has built up a hegemony that allows it to do what is good for its empire, justified by the idea that what they do is for a good cause.

Simply put, if people like you and have financial ties to you, they're often willing to ignore some of your worse qualities. It's like the wife beating husband whose male friends all say he's a great guy cause he keeps picking up their bar tabs.

USA has through business and propaganda expounded the idea of themselves as protectors of free markets and democracy, where convenient, and revealed their true nature in many places by crushing democracy when it benefited markets.

This was always the MO, if democracies are pro US business, (to the detriment of their own people) , then good. If not, squash them and put in dictator in stead.

Enough of the world's elites have benefited from this, that they basically are beholden to the US elites and are unwilling to criticize when lines are over stepped. I've watched this happen my whole life, since Iraq 2003 this has expanded in every way, from mass surveillance of its own citizens and allies, to illegal attacks and drone strikes. No one with power has wanted to hold the US accountable, and as a result, they've been able to keep doing horrible things.

If the democracies of the world had kept to the laws they made after ww2, and treated the US as an aggressor in 2003, it could have hurt the American economy so much, that it may have caused a shift in the trend. But it would also have hurt those countries' economies. So, instead the political and business elites in places like UK, Norway, Germany, Japan, etc chose to support the US in violating international law, or at least just ignore them to keep business as usual going.

The result is, America learned it has impunity. It was tempered by the understanding that too much overstepping of the principles of international law would ruin the position as "good guy", which long term would weaken America's ability to do whatever it wants.

The current administration can't spell 'long term', let alone understand it. In a way they've kickstarted the fall of the empire, because no one believes in America as a force for good, aside from the aforementioned elites, who have tied themselves to the USA, and must stick with it till they all go down, like Labour in the UK, or Merz in Germany. They will blatantly support the US, and it's ally Israel, in any violation of law, as they know they are politically and economically so dependent on the US, that any other choice is impossible, even when it makes their own people hate them.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know anyone that supports war with Iran, how is it a double standard?

[–] lithiumground@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Stand silent on Israel+USa actions but full sanction on Russia

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 23 hours ago

I am hardly going to stand in defence of Iran either, I don't think America should be attacking them but there is fuck all I can do about it. Hardly going to campaign to send supplies to Iran and already avoiding American products.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think conversations are helped by generalizations. "Western" pulls lots of individuals and nations, with near zero power, into the blame.

Likely blame is the extremely wealthy that own the media and politicians.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This 1000%. If the decision makers were public figures then people would be held accountable but the "Heritage Foundation" is making some decisions while AIPAC is making others and no one knows who to hold accountable. These foundations mask the psychotic minds pushing for these inhumane policies.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, the double standards are sickening.

I wish I knew the answer, but I've read enough history books to know that whoever has the money generally gets to drive the narrative, and that our species will always work to destroy itself. It's in our nature.

[–] lithiumground@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Rich are always right :(

[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

supporters of the current fascist government regularly engage in doublethink--genuinely believing in 2 contradictory beliefs simultaneously. people often mistakenly call it "cognitive dissonance." it's not. there is no "dissonance." they literally scream "think of the children" while supporting pedophiles in office, and refuse to take any action whatsoever to stop school shootings.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What about our current government makes it fascist that our previous governments did not have? I ask because under the administration GWB and Cheney they came up with a list of 7 countries to topple and Iran was the last one. The listed included Libya, which Obama and HRC executed, with HRC literally gloating at the report of the 70+ year old leader of Libya being killed by being sodomized by a bayonet when she said "We came! We saw! He died!".

People have been analyzing the double standards of the US for literal decades. The US was an apartheid state not that long ago. The Third Reich studied US law and culture as the model for building an effective apartheid state so they could do it in German and hopefully extend it to Russia when they eventually won the war.

Truman collaborated with the Pope to save 10K Nazis from justice, relocating them all over the Western hemisphere, protecting them, funding them, etc.

So why are you only saying the current government?

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The entire Amerikkkan government has always been fascist

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Not OP and not saying all your points aren't true. But they don't determine fascism. What is new in the current government in regards to fascism according to my understanding is the personal Führer cult in combination with the open hate of democracy and 'might makes right' philosophy.

Obama ordered crimes against humanity and was the head of an imperial engine, but his government still showed allegiance to democracy and to institutions instead of persons.

You can have a fully democratic empire conquering the world and it still wouldn't be fascist. And I'm not saying the shit the USA were doing before were excusable, right or in any way defendable. But now they fully took off any masks of democracy the Democrats were smart enough to still keep on.

Edit: forgot to add: so the biggest thing that changed wasn't really the behavior of the USA to the rest of the world, but instead how they treat themselves. And it seems a lot of USA citizens (and Western in general) before were fine with it. They wanted to believe the Hollywood version instead of seeing the real thing.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Every single president incrementally adds to the fascism of America. Reagan's neoliberal abandonment of Americans who needed help and the massive consolidation of the financialization of the economy. Bush 1 was the first formal fusion of the CIA and the presidency. Clinton, as governor, had black house slaves, and as president, sexually dominated at least one subordinate that we know of. He also was at the helm as NATO when it expanded to become an offensive, and not purely defensive, transnational nuclear military. Bush 2 created free speech zones, oversaw massive domestic spying and immunity for companies who broke the law, the opening up of private for-profit military collaboration beyond anything previously seen, and of course all the torture and war crimes. Obama expanded the president's power to just kill whoever wherever whenever through drone strikes, killing civilians at weddings and funerals (and funerals for those who died at the weddings), and even killing US citizens abroad.

not saying all your points aren’t true. But they don’t determine fascism

When you save 10k Nazis from justice, that's not a tell for you? When you and the Soviets rebuild Germany, and your side has openly former Nazi politicians taking political office while the Soviet side purged all fascists, that's not a tell for you? When you form NATO and staff it with former Nazi officers, that's not a tell? And when you direct NATO to organize, fund, arm, and manage neo-nazi groups and former Nazi collaborators into standing militias and terrorist cells, that's not a tell?

is the personal Führer cult in combination with the open hate of democracy and ‘might makes right’ philosophy.

Have you been to the US? Are you aware of the insane cult of personality we have around nearly every single US president? The media spectacle? The us vs them? The angel/devil photography? Do you know what we teach our kids in school about Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln? Like, Jefferson is literally worse than Trump. Trump was a consumer in Epstein's ring. Jefferson literally ran slave plantations, bred slaves for sale, raped his slaves and sold the children that came from those rapes, and tried but failed to use his political power to ban the transatlantic slave trade so that his slaves would fetch a higher price and make him richer.

Obama ordered crimes against humanity and was the head of an imperial engine, but his government still showed allegiance to democracy and to institutions instead of persons.

So you're saying aesthetically he wasn't openly fascist but in actuality, he was? Fascism is determined by aesthetics for you?

You can have a fully democratic empire conquering the world and it still wouldn’t be fascist

This is such a contradictory sentence. No, you cannot both have a fully democratic empire and conquer the world. That would be a partially democratic empire. Specifically it would only be democratic for the "in-group". For the US, that in-group is white, male, hetero, patriarchal, Euro-Centric, Anglo-Centric, property owning, capitalistic, and Christian. That's LITERALLY fascism when it's coupled with killing millions of people to maintain your empire. It's also the farthest thing from "fully democratic" when democracy works for the ultraminority white supremacists and everything is might-makes-right full on subjugation of the rest of the world, including the indigenous people you displaced and continue to oppress daily.

And don't forget that the US imprisons more of its own people than anyone else in the world (El Salvador and Cuba just passed us for 1 year, but are historically lower) and that's JUST in prison. The parole system, where we surveil their entire lives, garnish their wages, tell them where to be when and then throw them back in prison for any missed requires, is TWICE AS LARGE as our prison population. We are the world leader in dominating our own people.

But that's not fascist enough with the aesthetics?

But now they fully took off any masks of democracy the Democrats were smart enough to still keep on.

They still haven't taken the masks off. Just watch them in the UN. Watch them on television. Read their papers. YOU have figured out that they're lying. But they're still actively lying. You are just finally part of the group that sees it. Other people, particular the victims of US imperialism, have seen it for literally decades. You were part of the group of people, as was I, that thought "Death to America" and calling America "The Great Satan" was only done by people who don't understand us and who are actually evil in their hearts. You are realizing that they're right, but you think it's only really appropriate for THIS administration. It's not. Keep reading history. Keep analyzing the situation. We were founded by people who trafficked humans, raped them, and tortured them. We are still being run by people who do those same things. We were founded by people who were traveling around the world killing anyone that wasn't a white Christian man and convincing other white Christian men on the basis of their white Christianity to help them do it. We are still operating a country that follows that exact same program.

EuroFascism as we know it from Italy and Germany emerged from the European context. It was quite literally European settler colonialism applied on the continent. The first gas chambers were invented by the French to kill masses of Haitian freedom fighters. The US was a fascist apartheid regime for most of its history. Every single town or city called "Fort Something" was literally a military base for killing every single Indian that didn't manage to run away.

It's ALWAYS been this bad. The way we use language it's almost as if fascism was new when Hitler and Mussolini did their thing. But the reality is that they were just applying the logic of their context, which was the same logic America, Canada, Australia, and the rest of the settler colonies were founded on. Every. Single. One.

[–] hesh@quokk.au 5 points 2 days ago

Because the west runs the world and controls the media

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 days ago

Burgerlander here. You're not wrong.

[–] RainbowHedgehog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It really depends on your perspective. If you hate the regime of Iran, you focus on the slaughter of tens of thousands of unarmed protesters, forcing people to pay for the bullets that the IRGC put in their heads before being able to pick up the dead family, and bringing in radicals from other countries to help them kill protesters.

If you have an anti-West bias, you are gonna focus on sanctions, the failed interventions, and yes, the bombing of the girls school.

Neither is right because neither have the whole picture. I’m just tired of people claiming anti-West or anti-American perspectives are somehow immune to bias.

[–] lithiumground@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I don’t support Islamic state neither imperialist Israel+USA . Yes ı agree with you . I will appreciate people if they accept their double standards and hypocrisy

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

how does killing school girls hurt the bad Irarian regime?

[–] RainbowHedgehog@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How does forcing people to pay for the bullets put in their dead family members brains hurt the west?

I’m not for the bombing of the school. That’s beside the point. The point is that both sides manipulate the narrative. Both have double standards.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

then condem both sides… why do you feel the need to whitewash one of the sides?