Regarding the study, I think it’s plausible in a sense that they have a large, diverse sample and control for the things that you should control for but what I always miss in medical papers is a more sophisticated quantitative part. It might be somewhere where I just didn’t see it because I’m not from the field but I don’t really understand their mathematical model that has led to these findings, nor do I understand how to interpret these findings independently.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

All that is carefully explained in the methods section. 3 pages long.

One criticism is that the comparison sets of data are not balanced, they compared 1.6M meat eaters with barely 75000 vegetarians and vegans.

Regardless, there have been many studies with similar conclusions which can be compared with meta analysis.

Vegetarians have a much more active digestion allowing shorter exposure to carcinogenic products found by digesting meat and they have a completely different gut flora. On autopsy, you can always tell a vegetarian because their adipose tissue is pure white, not dark. The also have a lower BMI. But this is just cancer, there is literally no disease that is not reduced with vegetarian diets.

[–] Peehole@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I’m sorry but it’s not. They are running a regression model. You don’t need to show me that you can write down the equation but it is common to at least show something like ANOVA or just in general a table that shows your model and the coefficient estimates. It might be buried somewhere because the tables aren’t rendered next to the text but I couldn’t find it.

I‘m not sure why we call this community science if I have to explain why I would like to see the mathematical model that justifies the core result of a paper.

[–] galaxy_nova@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

An unfortunate issue with Lemmy. Seems to generally skew tech which makes sense but there isn’t as much scientific literacy necessarily.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz -4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I went to upvote for the link but I'm pretty luke warm on the rest of the comment so didn't.

[–] Peehole@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago

Care to elaborate? Upvotes / downvotes are meaningless but if you have objections to the way I see it I might learn something and I mean that.

[–] SaneMartigan@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

It found that vegetarians had a 21% lower risk of pancreatic cancer and a 9% lower risk of breast cancer compared with meat eaters.

They also have a 12% reduced risk of prostate cancer, 28% lower risk of kidney cancer and 31% lower risk of multiple myeloma.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it -5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I'il risk if that means i can eat pasta with meat sauce, lasagne and fish

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Some of the vegan proteins these days are amazing. I've had homemade vegan lasagna that has blown me away. Also pasta sauce with vegan italian sausage that is nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. So good!

Fish... well.... There's no replacing fish.

Thing is, it doesn't have to be black and white. Eating 1/4 your meals as vegan is better than never. Being pescetarian is better than eating all animal proteins. Or even being "vegan plus bacon". Anything is better than nothing. For the environment, your health, and for animal welfare.

"Pure" vegans who say otherwise should pick their battles better.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago)

I eat most of the time vegetables or product that have vegetables as base and most of the other times is vegetables + animal products, i think i do better than most people in this regards but tbh, i don't really like the concept of "vegan alternatives" because they just don't taste the same or are so processed to taste like the original that the benefit is pratically lost;

Original vegetarian/vegan stuff is just better or at least stuff that don't try to imitate the taste

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -2 points 9 hours ago

Genius