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Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 23 points 2 months ago (88 children)

Come mid-terms I'm going to proudly vote democrat everywhere I can so hopefully we can get some control of the country again.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Bingo.

I'll think about Palestine after my country stops being run by actual fascists and Americans stop being executed in the street and our Constitutional rights stop being violated on a daily basis.

And, coincidentally, by voting Democrat, I am doing the most beneficial thing I can for Palestine because THERE ARE NO VIABLE THIRD PARTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (12 children)

What state was going to flip to Harris if ALL of those green party voters flipped Democrat? You can't name one, because there isn't one.

Reactionary centrists got Trump elected. Period.

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[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Suppose, in 10 years, your choice for president is between a democrat who openly expresses interest in murdering six million Jewish people, and a Republican who openly expresses interest in murdering seven million Jewish people.

Will you still be an unwavering Democrat?

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Hey, outside view from those of us in Europe... Just get on with getting the Orange Man out, please.

You'll get far further dealing with the Democrats once that's happened.

But until that point, just concentrate on getting the actual genocidal fascist gone.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We need to demand better of democrats, period. It’s ok to expect more out of them than “not trump.” Many of us Americans are completely fed up with them promising much needed reforms, and then turning around to accept bribes to do nothing of the sort after they’re voted in.

Voting out the establishment ghouls in the primaries this year is a great first step - go vote for a leftist this spring, and then vote for any non-repug this fall!

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I make demands in the primaries. I do harm reduction in the generals

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[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm torn on calling them war criminals. War profiteers, absolutely. Genocide apologists, definitely. It's a bit like being a drug dealer; you didn't make them take the drugs, but you knew what the likely outcome would be. Should that be criminal under international law? Probably, but I don't believe that it currently is.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Biden went around Congress to provide arms we had clear evidence would be used in a genocide.

Just because he's not the biggest war criminal, doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable.

Not holding "our own" accountable just depresses turnout and let's maga win

We can't afford to put Joe fucking Biden or any other Dem politician over the entire country. We have to hold them accountable, and if they don't want to be held accountable they can stop committing war crimes, or at least get out of office.

Like, it's not just international law he violated, US law too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Like, it’s not just international law he violated, US law too:

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[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The GOP are terrified of what the midterms might bring. The propaganda is increasing.

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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 7 points 2 months ago

“Are still supporting”

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

They would have to acknowledge there's was a genocide they contributed to. They denied it and silenced the public correcting them.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Centrists pretty much destroyed the party with their idiocy and lack of ethics.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

To me, this seems focused on a goal, that while admirable, doesn't actually help in the current situation. We can actually continue trying to do the right thing even if Biden's team faces no accountability.

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[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I often feel we are becoming so desensitized to this hell world that we accepted "acknowledge that they did a boo boo" as opposed to being "tried for aiding war crimes and atrocities" and it fucking sucks. All those narratives about fighting evil, and toppling cruel empires, in reality they get away with it and award themselves medals.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And continue to take Israeli money and refuse to denounce the war Israel wants us to spend trillions on in Iran and continue to fund Israel who hasn’t stopped the genocide and won’t admit Epstein was Mossad and refuse to stop insider trading and refuse to fight for universal healthcare and refused to prosecute Trump or anyone in the bush administration or any of the bankers I could go on and on

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

All things the republicans like too. That must be the "centrism" they like to talk about.

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