From the USA and food prices are closer to 20-30% of my income now. I do have a family though.
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That graph is so off. Why is 12-15% half of 40%?
Because it was made with AI of course
Didn't we have a misleading graphs community at some point?
That source is kind of wonky. It's just a picture posted somewhere with a not-verifiable source written on it, so there is not a lot to say about this. But if those are real statistics from russia: We kind of know that russia is totally faking their statistics for propaganda reasons and if they publish that statistic, the reality will be much, much worse. And 40% seems to be the average here. Which means that there will be many people on the lower end of the income scale who have to spend a bigger amount.
There is a Reuters article quoting a UN representative with the 40% number from 2022. So this is really old news.
So its probably around 70% by now?
Living a life of luxury then. Wining and dining on Bordeaux, Camembert, caviar, little tongue-teasers. Mad Vlad is really taking care of his people.
Maybe if they'd quit eating all that avacado toast every morning.
Stop buying rotisserie chicken and maybe they could afford something other than food /s
Which brings to mind my idea for regime change in russia. Here me out here, first of all, we engineer an alcohol shortage, we sabotage their vodka refineries, (said to personally be owned by putin, which is traditional going back to the tsars,) and the rest. Then when the people are in a clamour in a sober fury, we hack into the state tv broadcast and submit a deepfake of Putin asking why the people just don't drink Champagne if the vodka is out.
Alcoholism is not the source of a problem, but the symptom. (Although in my personal opinion, people of course should drink less, not just in Russia)
Not really. I don't live in Russia at the moment, but I know the context pretty well. The percentage of people who can afford that kind of stuff is insignificant; lots of people live close to or below the bare minimum. Now, there will be a small % that can afford delicacies, but I wonder if those people really would spend 40% on food only.
That comment was probably satire.
Ah! ๐ But you never know, I sometimes encounter the most weird statements about Russia.
...or maybe I just can't detect the sarcasm:)
Its probably a mix of both. Its always interesting to see what kind of statements get thrown around regarding russia
We should not only look at the percentage of spendings for food but the costs of living in general. Then the european will not look that much better in comparison as we have high costs for apartments. Still if the picture is true that is still concerning.
Wouldn't a better comparison be what all essentials cost? Food here is single digit % of my income but having a roof is more like 75%.
If we ever get the mortgage paid off we will live like kings! 32 years to go...
If you want a little writeup on prices in Russia, I have some insight if you're legit interested.
I would be interested
So, I recently visited the country for personal reasons, and I can share some insights.
Salaries in Russia are lower than in most of the EU, and vary a lot between big cities and rural areas. Rural people are forced to survive with meager incomes of perhaps 400โฌ per month, a more decent salary but still normal in a city like Saint Petersburg would be some 1000-1200โฌ (for reference a fast food worker may have an income of 700-1000โฌ), and ofc rich people are rich as in every capitalist country.
First and foremost: housing and rent. Rent and housing are expensive in Russia if you live in the two big metropolitan areas of Moscow and Saint Petersburg. We're talking price-to-income rates a bit better than what I see in Madrid or Baecelona, but still very much hostile to most people. It's not as bad as in Spain yet because the Soviets built a lot of housing and when the USSR was dismantled, the housing was given to the tenants who inhabited them (previously they were of public rent), so you see a lot of mixture of different incomes in expensive areas because a lot of people still own the apartment from back in 1991, or they inherited it from their parents. Maybe you can rent a small flat on the outskirts of Saint Petersburg or Moscow starting at 500โฌ, likely 600+โฌ if you look for something that's not a very old and poorly maintained soviet apartment.
There are plenty of cities in Russia where housing is a lot more affordable. For example, in Tyumyen, you can rent a one-room apartment for the equivalent of 250-350โฌ in Rubles. The issue is that in Russia salaries are very significantly lower in such regions unless you work in a very established field such as oil extraction or a strong industry. Even public salaries change dramatically, with a teacher easily earning twice as much in Moscow as in a smaller city far from Moscow such as Ryazan. Housing is however less of a burden because of the abundant housing stock from Soviet times, and because when all the state industry was dismantled during the transition to capitalism, those regions were left with a lot worse infrastructure and less job opportunities than they used to have, so there's plenty of housing and not much in terms of job oportunities, which drives prices down.
Food prices are also an interesting topic. Basic foodstuffs such as grains (buckwheat, oat, barley) are super cheap and you can get them for like 0.5โฌ/kg at cheap supermarkets. Also some vegetables are affordable such as carrots, cabbage or onion, and root vegetables such as beets are also a cheap staple. Potatoes, likely due to sanctions, suffered a shortage some time ago and their prices rose to twice or three times the price, which caused a lot of unhappiness because it's a staple food there. Dairy products have also inflated over the past years, and they're similarly priced to what they are in EU countries, roughly 90 cents to 1โฌ for a liter of milk, butter being a bit more expensive than in the EU...
Other more "luxurious" vegetables and fruits (for Russian climate at least) like bell peppers, tomatoes, strawberries, peaches etc. have also risen very fast over the past few years, again likely due to sanctions. Russia gets a lot of such fresh produce from Uzbekistan due to its good climate for these goods, and now with it being one of the only suppliers due to international sanctions, prices have gone up due to insufficient supply, especially during the winter. Bell pepper costs 4โฌ/kg, tomatoes maybe slightly less, and strawberries have been up to 10โฌ/kg (more than twice what I can find them for in Spain).
Utilities remain non-expensive in general due to the abundant gas supply in Russia and the state subsidies for the gas industry, and since Russia's gas exports have been harmed from sanctions, there's an abundant supply inside the country, so peoples' homes are warm, unlike we see in Europe where many people have to keep their heating off due to high gas prices (I'm writing this in Spain and my living room is currently at 13ยฐC, my bedroom has been 9ยฐC at some points this winter). Car fuel is also relatively affordable, much more so than in Europe.
Cars are a funny thing, because Russia used to import a lot of cars from the EU and Japan, with Toyota and Volkswagen being very popular, but nowadays with the sanctions they're mostly importing Chinese cars, which likely paradoxically drove the car prices down.
Public transit remains affordable, with tram and metro rides costing perhaps 0.8-1โฌ depending on the city, and buses and trolleybuses being cheaper than that. In more rural environments, people rely a lot on minibuses (so called marshrutka) if they don't own a car, I have no idea about the prices of those. Trains in Russia are adequately priced (think 30-40โฌ for a ride between Moscow and Saint Petersburg) and quite punctual to my surprise.
That is interesting, so fairly comparable to UK prices for basics like oats and root veg if I look at what I normally spend in Aldi. But a full time minimum wage here is ยฃ25k and while housing is expensive if you house share it can become quite a bit easier to get by.
I keep hearing energy is expensive in Europe but I only bought a house after the price rises so I don't really have a comparison, no gas as I have a heat pump but I don't really pay attention to water or energy use because they are both so cheap its not really something I have thought to bother about. They are a tenth of my mortgage.
For reference, I was living in Germany during the beginning of the war, and my heating bill went from 150โฌ/month to 450โฌ/month, I had to move out of the apartment I rented because I couldn't afford to heat it. Now I live in Spain, electricity prices have remained rather stable for the past 10 years thankfully besides some shocks during cold months, and gas is more expensive but not that big a change because we get gas from northern Africa too, not just from the US.
Oh wow, my electrical bill is about ยฃ100 a month and I am currently nice and warm too. I think it dropped from about 27p/kWh to 24 somewhat recently, don't think it ever went over 30 but the media was shit at reporting on it. Instead of the actual rates they would always report on it based on what they felt was an average usage.
Thanks a lot, that was quite interesting to read.
Probably a lot if recently empty apartments in Russia.
If any Russians suddenly start getting invitations from their hungry-looking neighbors who want to have them over for dinner, maybe don't accept.
In all seriousness, I know a grandma who narrowly escaped a couple adults who wanted to eat her as a child during the siege of Leningrad. To this day she refuses to waste any food.
They will be fine for now. If you notice the rat problem has gone away then perhaps.
I do feel bad for the poor rats caught up in this.
They must be eating too much rotisserie shashlyk and avocado borscht.
Not good news. Sanctioning people in order for them to starve is what the USA is doing to Cuba, with the explicit aim of "bringing about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government". Yearly, EU+USA economic sanctions murder over half a million people over the world, per the latest analysis in the medical journal The Lancet.
As much as we criticise Putin when he mocks Europeans freezing in winter due to fossil gas prices (I myself experienced a 200% increase in heating costs in the 2022-2023 winter), we shouldn't celebrate when innocent Russian citizens are forced to hunger by sanctioning and by their own government's right wing policy.
This is not happening because of sanctioning, since food and essential goods aren't sanctioned. This is solely on the the corrupt Russian dictatorship and its war.
The russians are not starving; Russia is not dependent on food imports. This only means, that prices went up or salary went down and that russians cant afford as many luxury goods as before
It may not always be starving in the literal sense, but reduced life expectancy due to skyrocketed prices of vegetables like bell peppers or tomatoes after sanctions is not something to celebrate either.