Why not use Matrix, it's FOSS and they have federation now.
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Because element has been a terrible steward of the protocol?
Sounds like a reasonable point, guess I'll look into it!
Edit: Sorry, I'm not tech savvy enough to find my way to any reputable sources. A little help, please?
Hello! If it is not ironic, I get how confusing this is. To enter a federated network, instead of a centralized one (one app, one stop), you have to find an access point. In mastodon, it's called an instance, or simply a computer on which a server version of the network is installed (You use a client to access a server, and that server is linked to other likewise servers, thus making the federation). To enter the Matrix network or any kind of federated network, you have to sign up to an access point, first. All of this is very confusing for newcomers.
So, like it's in the works for fluffychat (a Matrix desktop client and phone app), the signing up process must include some form of directory of available access providers open for signing up. In fluffychat, I've seen a drop-down menu of available signing up servers ordered by spatial proximity, that looked really neat.
I appreciate you! My family and I made the decision to move off of Discord when they announced their full age verification rollout. We were planning on setting up and hosting our own matrix server, but now I'd like to know more about Element's poor stewardship of the protocol.
My tech level is literate layperson, not working in tech and without a background in systems administration, networking, or software development. I can understand the larger concepts pretty readily but get lost in the finer details like why data architects would choose one setup over another. I'm content knowing that someone good at this made a reasoned choice without needing them to explain why as long as I still get to laugh at Bastard Operator from Hell stories.
The results I found last night were things like The Register talking about matrix being adopted more and more around the world, including at the government and military levels, a competing service or two telling off Element for bad practices or poor use of the protocol, and Element's rebuttal (which basically came down to "our configuration doesn't need to be everybody's configuration, THAT'S THE POINT" and "it's a limitation you have, too, do you really want to make this a thing?"). It's good to be aware of, but it's not what I'm looking for. All this involves the paid services side; does anybody have any sourced news on the ongoing development of matrix from, say, the past 3-5 years?
I dunno if this could help, but this article is making me want to choose XMPP over Matrix. https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/
They were asking how Matrix is a "terrible steward of the protocol". Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how your comment answers that.
As far as I'm aware they don't have a great security track record: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/
This is really useful, thanks!
Do you have better app/network references to look into?
No, but I too am curious how Matrix is a bad steward of the protocol. I was hoping you would know if I pointed out their actual question.
Can you elaborate for those of us who are uninformed?
Element is hell bent on being a WhatsApp alternative and refuses to make “concessions” to be more like discord.
Regarding Fluxer, I'm not a fan of putting a price tag on functionality
EDIT: apparently this is only on official server, so it's far less shitty
I read the whole blog-style homepage; assuming it's genuine, this guy sounds like a hard working compsci grad trying to make his coursework a breakout product so there's a necessary element of monetization planning. I think it's fine to pay for a service, rather than free but monetise the data and push ads.
The space is a massive jumble of competing ideals and desires for the replacement right now. Fluxer looks optimistically promising based on the stated desire to be as much of a reverse-engineered open source clone as possible. If that's what the majority want - a simple drop-in replacement - then it'll succeed.
I’m not 100% sure if this is the case, as I haven’t set up a server for it yet. But it seems like that pricing is mostly just for the official fluxer server? I’d be willing to bet that it really just depends on what the server admin configures
AFAIK you can self host for free, all features. I can understand using their server they might want you charge.
I came here to share the same but have now learned that the community, non-enterprise model has a strong "copy left" licensing philosophy to ensure the FOSS code remains FOSS code. They do seem like they're doing all the right things, but I am not sure if their license means that contributors need to disclose AI generated code or not.
That's just for their paid servers. You can self-host.
I was told last night that there's a bot for Stoat that can kinda "cross-post" between Stoat and Discord.
Idk if any others have that, but a bridge like that could be real useful for an interim, to move a community to a better platform without needing to cut down a discord community that isn't on board with ALL moving to a new platform overnight.
“Poob”. I knew I heard this song before.
Fluxer is dual licensed AGPL v3 and proprietary. Making a PR requires giving them permission to use your code not under the AGPL. If it's really any good, I expect to see AGPL forks from people not willing to license their changes as proprietary commercial software.
https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer/blob/canary/CONTRIBUTING.md
We require a Contributor License Agreement (CLA) for this repository.
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We also offer a commercial license for organizations that cannot (or do not want to) comply with AGPL obligations.
Yeah I’m a zeeez kinda person, so gonna hafta pass until they get more enlightened. #zeeezlyferoolz
I prefer drifteasy’s p2p protocol for enhanced key rotation multiplexing and trustless bitmasking. Can’t imagine sending a message without that