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Context: Modern historians debate and argue over historical events. Meanwhile the sage Vyasa dictating the Mahabharata to Lord Ganesha, showing that ancient historians simply recorded massive, made-up casualty counts - something shared across the globe.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Part of it is that many pre-modern armies also had extremely limited ability to estimate the numbers of their enemies, as they often lacked professional scouting units who specialize in such matters - even some early modern 'rationalized' attempts at scouting with collations of multiple scouts' record-keeping and long-distance observation tools like binoculars, like the Pinkertons in the US Civil War, could come up with double or triple the actual numbers of the enemy.

On the other hand, Procopius, a Late Roman/Byzantine writer, accuses Emperor Justinian of killing a trillion people ('a myriad myriad of myriads' - '10,000 * 10,000 * 10,000'), and 50 million in Libya alone. So uh, there's definitely a taste for big numbers with some pre-modern writers.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

accuses Emperor Justinian of killing a trillion people ('a myriad myriad of myriads'

Guy kinda sounds like a dick

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean, Procopius also wrote that Justinian walked around with his head detached from his body in that same text, so it may not be the most accurate of sources.

(even speaking as someone who fucking hates Justinian)

[–] Dupelet@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

How would YOU know, you weren't there to see for yourself. Dude was probably a Dullahan.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Justinian walked around with his head detached from his body

Massive dick

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 5 points 4 months ago

Also the Buddha had lived for trillion times the theoretical age of our universe (big bang to heat death) before reaching enlightenment

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mahabharata

I maybe a bit biased but it is the greatest epic there is.

Anyway, when Sage Vyasa requested Lord Ganesha’s help, Ganesha agreed—but with a crucial condition: Vyasa must dictate the story continuously, without pause. In exchange, Vyasa proposed that Ganesha should write only after fully understanding each verse.

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I've read a shortened version - I found it lacking in comparison to a modern fantasy novel. I didn't really care about the characters, their motivations were strange, the build up to the war felt forced, it's unclear why seemingly every leader in the world cares enough about the brothers' conflict to send their forces and have them all die, and it wasn't clear how exactly the heroes were killing so many enemies so quickly (thousands in a matter of minutes I believe?).

But then, making any sense might be irrelevent for the function of myth.

[–] sga@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

you may have read too short a version - the best i can do is a watch some 240 hour video adaptation, which is non canonical as hell, and a russian dub is available online.

as some one who knows it somewhat -

it’s unclear why seemingly every leader in the world cares enough about the brothers’ conflict to send their forces and have them all die

it was a bit more than brothers conflict, think more in line of atla - who should be fire king - ozai or zuko (ccomparison is fair because both are fantasies).

it’s unclear why seemingly every leader in the world cares enough about the brothers’ conflict to send their forces and have them all die

that is mostly heavy exxageration.

depending on "stuff" total death toll of battle could be in range of 100,000. but basically putting any number is just as wrong.