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I have a 6 year old malinois (possibly a mix, she didn't come with paperwork)

When we got her, she was crate trained, never gave us any issues going into the crate, happily went into it and let us close the door and leave. My wife and I work different schedules, so normally she was only in there for maybe about 4 hours, if it was much longer than that we always made arrangements for her to stay with my parents or at least to have someone stop by to walk her.

However, she's too smart for her own good, and at some point she figured out that she could escape the crate, and there was no putting that cat back in the bag. No matter how we tried to secure the crate she figured out a way to squeeze out. We got worried that she'd hurt herself trying to get out so we started leaving her loose.

And at first everything was fine, she maybe got into the trash a couple times but overall we had a few good years of her being loose by herself in the house without any major issues. After a few months of having free reign of the house she never really went into the crate anymore and found other "den" areas around the house, so we packed up the crate.

Lately though, she's been getting bolder, stealing things off the counter (she pulled the whole bread box down the other day,) she got into a bottle of vitamins (that was a fun vet bill) etc.

She's not being destructive otherwise, not chewing up the furniture or anything, she doesn't even always eat or try to open any food and such that she steals (I came home to a fully sealed bag of tortillas on the bed the other day, she absolutely could have torn that open if she really wanted to)

And she does get a lot of walks and playtime, nothing has really changed in our routine that I can think of that would account for this change. It feels a lot like she just let the intrusive thoughts win one day to steal something from the counter and it's just snowballed from there.

Right now we're doing what we can to secure anything that seems like it might be tempting to her or that we're especially worried about her getting into before we leave, and we're providing her with some longer-lasting puzzle toys and treats to distract her when we leave.

So far that seems to be working, I feel like as long as we can keep her busy for the first 20 minutes or so after we leave, we're probably ok.

But we're also considering the possibility that we may need to start crating her again in a more escape-proof crate.

So in case it comes to that I'm looking for advice from anyone who's had to do something similar.

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[–] Curious_Canid@piefed.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think you're doing the right things. I am commenting because your dog looks so much like our Denali.

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He is half Siberian Husky, quarter German Shepherd, and quarter Akita. It always amazes me that dogs with very different breed mixes can end up looking so similar.

It sounds like they have some other traits in common. Denali is very smart and can open almost any latch. Fortunately for us, he likes his crate. One day, when my wife was struggling to close one of the latches, he closed it for her with his tongue, just to be helpful. If he wanted to open it he would open it.

I've had several dogs that were very independent (including Denali) and they can be a real challenge. My only suggestion is to reach out to your vet, if you haven't already. They often have good suggestions about behavioral issues.

I wish you all the best!

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You know, billions of people in the world raise their dogs without crates. If it's causing both you and your dog trouble, there's nothing saying you have to go through it. Not doing it is an option.

Her other behavioral issues seem like separation anxiety. She collects your objects to feel closer to you. Maybe get a blanket, sleep with that for a while to catch your smell, then gift it to her.

[–] grober_Unfug@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe I’m wrong, but this crate thing seems to be something very US American. It’s absolutely unusual in my country and it’s seen as kind of cruel to keep a dog in there for hours.

[–] allriledup@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago

Yup. In my country, I have NEVER known a single dog to ever be crated. Why do people crate dogs? it makes no sense. Get a statue if you don't want a living breathing being. It's cruel as fuck.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I tried to be as non judgemental as I could, as people inserted in a culture rarely stop to really analyze their own shared assumptions. You can't call someone like that cruel, that implies malicious intent.

But yeah, the practice is considered cruel in most places except the US and maybe a couple others.

To me cruelty is not dependent on malicious intent because it’s not about the intent, but the unnecessary pain it causes. The alternative would be calling it “indifference” or “ignorance” (but I’m having a hard time with this, as it somehow looks like ignoring the pain).

I guess I understand where you’re coming from though. You want to make it as easy as possible for others to choose the “other way”, without feeling called out. No matter how you define “cruelty”, your approach might be the better one, as it is not about being right, instead it is about maximising the chances for this dog to live his life without a crate

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

As it is now, she's got a lot of access to our dirty laundry and she ignores it, and free access to our bed, so I'm not sure that getting more access to our smell would really help matters. And the things she steals usually aren't things we handle a lot or that would hold our smell. It seems like a lot of it is motivated by what she thinks would be fun to play with

Or things that would just cause the most confusion, although I think that's probably too abstract of a thought for even a smart dog like her, but it's kind of hard to explain why she fished a potato out of a bag to bring up to our bed otherwise.

And again, she's not a particularly destructive dog, for the most part she's not really even chewing on most of the things she takes, but her little acts of theft tend to cause other collateral damage and we really worry about her breaking something glass in the process (which has happened) and getting cut (which so far hasn't thankfully)

[–] Berttheduck@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If your dog is doing things you don't want them to, restrict their access to the things you don't want the dog getting. Maybe shut her in one room rather than give access to the whole house for example.

[–] allriledup@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The other thing is, she might not have enough enrichment. try to get more toys and stuff and see if that helps.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She has so many toys, big ones, small ones, toys that squeak, toys that crinkle, plush toys, harder toys to chew on, balls of all shapes and sizes, she's spoiled in that regard.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

I've found that toys by themselves rarely suffice for enrichment. They want to interact with living things. If you throw legal garbage (like the core of a toilet paper) around for her to fetch for 15 minutes, it will bee worth more than a day of access to a mountain of toys without anyone to pay with.

This will sound weird, but another dog might just be what she needs.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It sounds like seperation anxiety. As dogs can feel more vulnerable when they get older.

Do not crate such a dog, they associate the crate with their own fears. Also don't try to restrict them to one room.

What you may want to try is to gift him posessions with your smell on it. Some medium volume music to distract him from noises can work well. There are dedicated YouTube channels for calming music for dogs.

Dogs are surprisingly human in behavoural needs. Golden rule is if you would not want to do something, they likely won't either.

Would you like to be constrained to a crate or one room for hours?

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We're already leaving the radio on for her (usually NPR, we figure that's mostly a lot of nice, calm, friendly-sounding voices)

And as it is, she has free reign of most of the house, which includes some dirty laundry in the hamper and, more often than I'd like to admit, on the floor of our bedroom which she never seems to pay any attention to whatsoever

And it's always really limited in scope, it's always just one or two things she gets into, not wanton destruction, I can't really know what's going through her head but it feels a lot like she just wants to do something bad while we're not there to tell her "no".

And often it's pretty benign with her not even trying to be destructive. She might steal a potato or a pack of ramen and carry it over to the stairs, not even bothering to chew on it, but the collateral damage of her getting into the potatoes might knock a bunch of stuff over and break a glass jar on the floor for example.

The time she got into the vitamins, I'm pretty sure her intentions were probably similar until she realized that the bottle rattled, and then she got curious and wanted to know what was inside.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is she very food motivated when you are there? Will she eat her food with gusto or does she just pick at it during the day.

If she is very food motivated, you can get raw beef shin bones (marrowbones) from a local butcher. Have them cut off the soft ends and then cut in into pieces about the length of your hand. The bone is hard and thick. Even my 160 lbs bullmastiff has a lot of trouble breaking it. But always best to supervise them for the first few times to see what they do with it.

Keep them in the freezer and give it to her frozen when you leave. It keeps them going for a good long while at they work at getting the marrow out. It keeps their teeth nice and clean as well. You can get them cut shorter as well if they tend to give up on them before all the marrow is out.

This picture below has both styles.

[–] fonecokid@c.im 1 points 1 day ago
[–] GraveyardOrbit@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

If you put your dog in a crate you shouldn’t own a dog

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

another dog might help with seperation anxiety

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Another dog definitely isn't in the cards for her unfortunately. She's got some pretty bad dog aggression/reactivity issues from getting into a fight with another dog before we got her. We've gotten her to the point where she's OK with a small handful of dogs, and can more-or-less ignore most of the dogs around our neighborhood from a respectable distance, but it's very much on a case-by-case basis.

[–] teft@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago

Maybe a puppy? She could train it and most dogs are cooler with a puppy being brought home than a new adult dog. Then you’d have a puppy to deal with for a few months but that’s a different kind of fun.