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cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/nonpolitical_comics/p/1675929/opossum-in-the-underworld-3-5-ferryman-s-coins-nick-maskell
Hey everyone! In case you haven't noticed, this is a new community focused on NonPolitical Comics (NPCs), which essentially means no gloom and doom of the day stuff.
If you like the idea, we need help! Check out the pinned post on the community.
......is that a real song?
I honestly thought I was about to hear some AI song that you made specifically to prank me.
Then I saw the video was uploaded 15 years ago.
Sooooooo, if it IS a prank......it's pretty elaborate. Otherwise, this is just an actual real song.
The Andrew Sisters are from the 1940s, they sung Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy and Civilization which are popular today from the Fallout games.
15 years in the future, like 3 people are going to have their minds blown!
Thanks for crossposting this comic out of that silly centrist community, OP.
'Centrist' is a dirty word, and that's a blatant misrepresentation of the community.
Everything is political. Apathy is complicity.
Fuck off with your 'apathy' bullshit. You have no idea what I do outside of that community, or how I think. A place for people to relax and forget some cares is not 'apathy'. You want to be seething and raging 24/7, you do you.
I don't have a choice whether My gender is political. Whether My species identity is political. Whether My neurotype is political. The truth is, everything is political.
But people like you want to transform politics into a dirty word, one that can be used against My gender, My species identity, My neurotype. You want to encourage people to fear and hate politics. That's the complicity. That will always create a breeding ground for fascism.
But people like you want to transform politics into a dirty word, [...] You want to encourage people to fear and hate politics.
Stop ascribing malicious intent to me that does not exist. I'm sorry your life sucks, and you have to fight for your right to exist. I wish you could take a step back and see the value in a place where you can stop fighting, stop raging for a moment and just be yourself. Even if you can't however, realise that others who are in the same position as you may value that place. Don't tear it down for others just because of your current state of mind.
https://piefed.social/post/1668914 about a trans kid and her parents, is the 2nd highest upvoted post in the comm. The discussions in there speak volumes.
I like political movies like Star Wars. Political books like The Hunger Games. Political music like Enter Shikari. Political games like Frostpunk.
For Me, politics isn't the same as fighting. That's your worldview. You're the one who thinks politics is being angry and hurt. For Me, politics is life and joy. And what you are doing is resulting in people forgetting that all that joy they feel comes from politics.
To Me, that meme is political and it's fun, and as a trans person, I would hesitate and worry about posting it on your community. Because the message you are sending, regardless of your intent, is intimidating to people like Me. You can't control that except by admitting that politics is fun.
I love gathering around the board game table to play Secret Hitler or Coup. I bet you like politics too, and you've just forgotten it. If you're not a centrist, then admit that you've had an absolute blast with politics some of the time.
There are a lot of definitions of the word 'political'. I made it pretty clear in the rules that I was referring to Trump, the megacorps, and general gloom and doom of the day stuff. By that definition, none of your examples are 'political'. Yes, you have your own definition that differs, but since we're discussing the community and what it stands for, that's the one that matters at the moment.
Star wars? Hunger games? Frostpunk? Sure, post content about them, I'll be the first to upvote them.
It sounds like you've ascribed a definition and intent to the community that's very different from what I stated in the sidebar, in which case this is actually just a semantics discussion of what 'politics' is.
If you choose to use a different definition of a common word than everyone else, you're gonna have to reckon with semantics. If you made a community called c/aryanmemes and explained you're using "aryan" to mean "nice person", people would call you a Nazi for using a Nazi dogwhistle. "Politics" as a negatively loaded word is also a conservative dogwhistle. I'm upset with you for using a dogwhistle and expecting people not to be offended.
If you choose to use a different definition of a common word than everyone else,
This is the first definition from Cambridge dictionary. I don't see how my definition differs significantly.
the activities of the government, members of law-making organizations, or people who try to influence the way a country is governed:
"Politics" as a negatively loaded word is also a conservative dogwhistle
Perhaps in the US. I would remind you that you're on a global website. Most of us use politics to mean, well, politics, not whatever conservative bullshit is going on.
Wikipedia says:
the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals
Merriam-Webster (My personal favourite) says:
competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government)
and:
the total complex of relations between people living in society
Collins says:
the actions or activities concerned with achieving and using power in a country or society.
and:
the ways that power is shared in an organization and the ways it is affected by personal relationships between people who work together
So, anything having to do with power or decision making within a group of people is politics. When you and your mates decide which takeout place to order from, the decision follows a political process. When your parents told you it was bed time, they used political power. When you come to trust someone’s opinion in guiding your personal decisions (like whether you should really include the chapter on bird mating calls in your work in progress fantasy novel), you’re engaging in politics.
Politics is all around us. It’s ridiculous to have a negative opinion of it. If there were no politics, there would be no societies, no families, no friendships, and no romantic relationships, because there would exist not a single mechanism for any group to have unified purpose or choice.
Unless you misdefine politics. That’s the trick. And it’s a very easy trick, you can do it without noticing. All you have to do is think in the back of your mind “politics is anything I disagree with”.
Boom. So long as you have the rhetorical skill or the social power to defend this assertion, you can take advantage of the propaganda of the ruling class for your own ends, and attack any goddamned idea in the world you want. You have an intrinsic claim to legitimacy in proportion with your ability to normalise your own opinions, and anyone who disagrees with you is committing “violence”. You have a terrible and destructive power to silence any and all dissent. What you say will go. Nobody can stop you.
What I have described just now is the worst extent of the power of belief in apolitics. Most people who believe in apolitics won’t act this way… if you don’t push them. If you keep agreeing with what they say in a vague sense, or phrase your disagreements charismatically, they won’t use this power. But it’s still there. And there is no sense at all in leaving around terrible powers that reinforce hierarchies of norms. Especially not if you are queer, neurodivergent, disabled, of colour, otherkin, or anything else that goes against the status quo. Because in a battle to attack the political, that which can claim legitimacy through normalcy will always win.
I'm people who try to influence the way a country is governed. I'm a political activist. In fact, if you vote, you're people who try to influence the way a country is governed too. So everything you and I do is politics, and the term has very little meaning.
But that definition is kind of bad, I much prefer the various other definitions I analysed on My blog. I could make the same arguments over again, but I don't want to.
TL;DR: Everything is political.
Your article is based on a false dichotomy to begin with, that politics is either 'all human interaction', or 'stuff I disagree with'. You miss the common definition that most of the world operates by, where politics relates to stuff related to governance.
When your parents told you it was bed time, they used political power.
By your definition perhaps. Most of us disagree.
Everything is political.
No, you've changed and diluted the word to the point it's meaningless and taken away a term that's actually useful. You want to redefine it for yourself, sure. But stop acting as if everybody else agrees with (or is even aware of the existence of) your definition.
The nature of our society is that we are always actively participating in governance of the social groups in which we participate. The common definition is My definition. Even at this very moment, we are arguing over how to govern your community, and you are through well-intentioned carelessness poorly governing My identity, by accidentally misgendering Me. Our every action is political. I ask that you be aware of this fact, rather than retreating from responsibility.
Also at this point, it's very clear that we've devolved into an argument about semantics, as I asserted a few comments ago. While I disagree strongly with your definition, I see no chance either of us will be changing each other's mind and I have no interest in trying.
All I ask is you stop misrepresenting the community when it's very clear that we're talking about different things. I hope at some point you'll see the value of having safe spaces for people, whether or not you need it yourself.
I do value safe spaces. For example, MULTIVERSE is a safe space for minorities such as otherkin, and I am currently having an internal debate over whether the users here should have to see your apoliticism. Your political ideology is something we consider dangerous and do not want to see. So I am weighing the cost-benefit of allowing the users on this website including Myself to rebutt your political viewpoint against the cognitive burden of feeling a responsibility to do so.
Obviously there would not be any issue if you simply avoided expressing your apoliticist politics.
Oh gods, the irony.
I'm stepping away from the conversation now. Thanks for keeping the conversation civil, even if we disagree.
Yes, that irony was on purpose. I know you won't reply, but I'll explain. You want a space free from politics, where your political viewpoint is enforced. That's hypocrisy. We want a political space for our ideology, where our political viewpoint is enforced. That's logical and consistent. What I'm saying is, what you want is impossible, because you broke your own rules. You're already on our side of this debate, you're just struggling against yourself and hurting your own aims. And I hope one day you get on the same page as yourself.
my gender is political too; that doesnt mean i want to be constantly reminded of that
i would be surprised if anyone on lemmy isnt aware of how bad things are in the world
You shouldn't see politics as only the bad things in the world. Politics is your gender too, and your gender is great. Politics is great stuff too.
my gender is political only because some people decided to hate it. They forced me to stay closeted for years
politics can be about great stuff, but there are specific communities for those already
Well, My gender is a social construct created from the ideas of the society in which I live. My gender arises from the politics of a particular time and place, informed by all of the culture and myth and history that came before. My gender is part of the memetic evolution of the zeitgeist. My gender is incredibly cool because of how political it is, and if it weren't political, I'd be so so bored with it.
while culture and history are influenced by politics, it isnt their only influence
an average person would probably refer to them as different things
Politics is group decision making. Culture is group decision making concerning intangible things. History is group decision making in the past.