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Lumo 1.3: Introducing Projects, a better way to organize and create (proton.me)
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[โ€“] Raul@europe.pub 1 points 17 hours ago

I like it very much, is a big step forward and Proto is a star company for European Tech industry

[โ€“] ideonek@piefed.social 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Did any paying customers of Proton asked for AI? Like one?

[โ€“] mymisc@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I prefer Lumo over ChatGPT and use it almost daily.

[โ€“] ideonek@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Me too. Honestly. But right now it's subsidized, and Proton lose money every time we do. And the cost will not go down with the scale. Are you going to pay hundrets of dollar every month for it? At the end it's "slightly more convenient search engine/brainstorming tool that usualy works". It's not like its worth nothing. But it's not worth the fraction of the costs it generatete and the resources it consume.

But it's true, it's private and it probably isn't optymized to farm engagment over anything else, and it's less likely that it will advice me suicide over talking with somone else than it. So yes, I prefer it over ChatGPT as well.

[โ€“] redditmademedoit@piefed.zip 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Are you sure about that? I've been reading mixed information on how expensive it is to operate these chat bots, e.g. the cost of "inference", when you don't develop and maintain the actual models. Some claim inference is actually quite cheap. Not sure how that applies to Proton though, but as far as I understand Lumo is mostly a front end for some generally available models?

I think privacy is the biggest concern for users (as opposed the plethora of horrible problems AI brings to the world at large) with ChatGPT and similar services. I can see the market space for a privacy centered service.

[โ€“] ideonek@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

That's a fair question. Am I sure? No. The problem is that nobody is publishing explicitly about how expensive this all truly is (which is concerning on its own). But a lot of points are out in that direction. I think that "cost of inference" may be a fake metric on its own that it's designed to obscure that you need multiple sub-queries to run one "thinking" query - but granted, I'm out of my depth, so I may be wrong here.

AI companies are running two arms races here: one: who can create a better model. two: who can create shitteir cheeper psudo-model that can pass as "AI" (which are also too expensive).

When you complain that those models can do anything useful, and it makes terrible mistakes, they reply that you don't use the truly smart one. When you complain that there is no way that the smart one will ever be scalable because it's crazy expensive, they tell you, "but look how much cheaper the 'fast' ones are". Never truly addressing the questions, and bundling those so you are never sure which one youare using.

Does anyone successfully run this openy avaible models locally on their own machines? I'm seriously asking, since, as I unserstand that doesn't work out as well as one would hope. That suggests that the resources required are still massive.

[โ€“] ironblossom@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Everyone gets access to the base service and you pay separately for the advanced plan which is not included in their other service packages. I swear some people live to complain

[โ€“] ideonek@piefed.social 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

What arey you talking about? Do you still belive in free launches? There is an opportunity cost to everything. My paid plan includ a resource-havy, going-nowhere technology that nobody was asking for, while the same resources could be spent on things that people ask for - like better gallery or better Linux support.

I don't want my postmen to clean my windows even if he do it for free (for now). I just wonder who paid for his cleaning supplies while he's mailbag is full of holes.

[โ€“] ironblossom@feddit.org 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Lumo is standalone, freemium, no account or existing subscription required. Itโ€™s funded by premium users, not by your plan, nor is it part of it. Proton hasnโ€™t increased the cost of their base services since 2023 and did so only once since their launch, Lumo launched mid-2025. Lumoโ€™s open-source, no-logs and anonymous no account required free service is privacy-first AI done rightโ€ฆ Always good to check your facts before applying your biasโ€ฆ

[โ€“] ideonek@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

How was working on it founded before the first paying Lumo user?

(Edit: Also, behold the first profitable AI project in existence apparently)

[โ€“] ironblossom@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Itโ€™s clearly not by increasing the price or your subscription. Why does it even concern you how itโ€™s funded? They can reinvest their profits however they please. Next youโ€™ll complain about their USD5M privacy charity contributions that didnโ€™t go to the development of your package. YOU just hate everything that carries the AI tag.

[โ€“] ideonek@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I told you befor, I care becouse every spending carry oportunity cost. And yes LLMs today are a massive costs and shoveling them were they are not needed is simply a waste. Burning money level of waste. Feel free to label me with anything that allows you to dismissed my points - you do you - but I feel like I should be allowed to hate waste.

Idea that this is free is naive. Idea that it is founded by paying premium users is a lie. People asked for other things that are being ignored. Did anyone asked for that? Some non-ai haters opened ticket about it? Still feel like its an valid question.

[โ€“] ironblossom@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sorry mate, but if your only point is your dislike of their investment in an AI product that many people use and you believe you paid for, thatโ€™s not a very good one. I donโ€™t know about you, but I constantly use AI assistants and so do many other people. Itโ€™s a good, European based product with some unique features. I donโ€™t pay for it, and my standard proton subscription doesnโ€™t increase in cost.

[โ€“] yuumei@feddit.uk 4 points 4 days ago

I pay for proton, not sure if I get the AI but I probably wouldnโ€™t use it anyway. Would rather they improve the spreadsheet thing so I can get off Google for good