As far as I understand, right wingers do like liberals because they are liberals. They just don't like the (minimally) more progressive liberals that recognize more humans as people that also get those rights.
this post was submitted on 12 Jan 2026
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From your article.
Exactly right, Joe.
my gawd... what are you a agent? AUTONOMY NOW BEACH.... You serving it but I ain't eating it. Russian civil war bla bla bla... ok get over it. I mean we might as well just walk to the prisions and say we give up. The world goverments are all capitalistic mmmm kay... The infighting and the stupidity is the reason we are always fighting on our backs. I am a libertarian socialist. I have no shame in my game. " The left–right paradigm Culture war Tribalism Imperialism Divide and conquer Imperial boomerang We are all getting played!!!! Step Yo Game Up
My side is anti-authority. There’s no infighting when it’s against authoritarianism.
I'm sorry you are unable to see outside of this binary. I am a communist in that I work towards communism, I recognize that I don't know what the end form looks like and it may very well look like anarchism, but I also have the ability to recognize that there needs to be a transitionary phase where we end capitalism first and that may require slightly more centralization for a short time. It's quite easy to see that while capitalism still exists, the most continually successful resistance at scale requires centralization to be sure to can be rooted out. No one likes the symptoms of an antibiotic, but it's the only way to rid us of some pathogens, and you don't keep taking antibiotics after the pathogen is gone because it can hurt the body.
Class, Capitalism, and the State are nothing but manifestations of Authority. To defeat them, we must defeat authority.
I understand Liberals believe they can reform the state, and Communists think they can wield it to bring about these changes.
I however do not think it can be redeemed. And as history and 'AES' shows it always bounces back to oppressive authoritarianism of the people.
AES and history continue to exist in a world with the external pressure of capitalism, which is why it bounces back. You can't know if it's inherent until capitalism is removed. If it is the case that it is inherent, you will find yourself with significantly more allies than now, but the only way to gain those allies is through defeating capitalism.
AES
Look inside
Capitalism
Very astute of you
In the end the real point is, what use are allies that are working towards completely opposite goals? "AES" countries are steadily working towards being the boot that stomps on a human face forever, and I don't want that boot to exist.
I don't care of the aesthetics of the oppressive system, I don't care for vague promises of self-dissolving power structures that can't ever be held to any sort of accountability.
The only way to socialism is through actual changes in organisational structure, which to this day "AES" has only shown to go towards de facto kingdoms, top down bureaucracies that give way to capitalism, and mafia states.
All the while smothering any other sort of large scale organisation, both directly and indirectly for a century.
There is nothing to be gained from allying with anyone who identifies with these states for any person or organisation that wants liberation.
And I don't care about perfect movements; better to have tried than not. The only reason AES states are celebrated at all is because they continue to exist. I'd love some actual examples of how they continue to "smother" other organizations. Show me some AEA locations/movements/orgs that have successfully resisted, at the very least, western imperialist influence. And yes I am going to celebrate China moving nearly ¾bil out of poverty, if you're refusing to appreciate the small wins of AES, then you don't really care about material improvements to peoples lives.
"I don't care for perfect movements, I am simply happy with movements that carry cool aesthetics and red flags with none of the substance."
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